United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

Post by jacquesm » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 8:28 PM UTC

kerkeslager wrote: post #157

Supermancho wrote: post #123

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> would have led to the demise of many more Jews during WW2 That maybe has some implicit assumptions. If the entire populace of German adopted what you call the "principle", Germany would have fallen much faster and with less bloodshed. Regardless...moral choices are usually pitted against other moral choices and that's part of what shapes our moral "fiber", for lack of better vocabulary. To do something or do nothin…

> That maybe has some implicit assumptions. If the entire populace of German adopted what you call the "principle", Germany would have fallen much faster and with less bloodshed. I suppose you're right, but I don't think the assumption that there won't be a mass exodus is a very unreasonable assumption. Many reasonable ethical principles would have prevented the Nazis from even coming into power if everyone in the co…

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 8:32 PM UTC

alexfromapex wrote: post #74

abecedarius wrote: post #15

I bought the book, and I hereby commit to donating a large multiple of the price to an appropriate charity or Snowden himself if they win this suit.

I hope the government realizes how much they’re pissing everyone off by violating our rights and defending themselves for doing it

Post by bb611 » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 8:33 PM UTC

gamblor956 wrote: post #129

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #27

”The United States’ lawsuit does not seek to stop or restrict the publication or distribution of Permanent Record. Rather, under well-established Supreme Court precedent, Snepp v. United States, the government seeks to recover all proceeds earned by Snowden because of his failure to submit his publication for pre-publication review in violation of his alleged contractual and fiduciary obligations.” What? Either he re…

No, it sounds like a run-of-the-mill breach of contract lawsuit. As alleged, Snowden signed a contract where he agreed to do certain things, X, for the right to do Y. He did Y but then didn't do X. And now the counterparty is suing for damages under the contract. The US government has limited power to stop publication, so all Snowden had to due was submit the manuscript for review, reject any requested changes , and…

Post by EGreg » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 8:34 PM UTC

bb88 wrote: post #32

HashThis wrote: post #21

This is the "It is illegal to inform the citizen base that the government has removed their constitutional right" lawsuit. The NSA and FBI removed every US citizen of their constitutional right, to privacy. Edward Snowden informed the US citzen base on their constitutional rights being removed. This lawsuit is the government saying it is illegal for any US citizen to inform all other citizens when the government remo…

Rightly or wrongly, that is not a part of the SF86 form when one applies for a clearance. The SF86 form offers no leeway for moral objections. So in such a scenario, it would be better to not submit the SF86 form in the first place. The only people I'm aware of that can publish classified information without punishment are journalists.