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The article is lost on me too. ~15 years professional experience as a software developer and I never had to deal with an "Operations" team. My understanding is that it's the people that would be doing Amazon's job if you were trying to not use AWS or some other cloud service? "Devops" means not fighting with those people??? haha
I take it you’ve never worked in any of the Fortune 500, then.
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I take it you’ve never worked in any of the Fortune 500, then.
I've worked for a Fortune 500 company for the past 5 years, still nope.
The company doubtlessly has a CEO, too, even if you are so compartmentalized as to never speak with her.
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I take it you’ve never worked in any of the Fortune 500, then.
I work for a Fortune 150, but I’ve never worked with a operations, devops, etc. team.
Just because you are “throwing it over a wall” doesn’t mean the team on the other side doesn’t exist.
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I've worked for a Fortune 500 company for the past 5 years, still nope.
You configure the Cisco routers, then? The company doubtlessly has a CEO, too, even if you are so compartmentalized as to never speak with her.
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You configure the Cisco routers, then? The company doubtlessly has a CEO, too, even if you are so compartmentalized as to never speak with her.
I think the mismatch is that I never developed websites, think games, media tools, developer tools. Anytime there was a dependency on a web component I was using a cloud service, external or internal. Internal cloud services were operated by different BU's like a separate business. Software was distributed via boxed CD or 3rd party web stores. I've never looked into the eyes of someone that configures routers or even…
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> Personally I think DevOps is like religion As long as no-one is knocking on my door asking if I have five minutes to discuss Agile development methodologies. I could reasonably defend most of what people attach to the "DevOps" buzzword as sane practices most of us were already doing before the hoopla. Agile (with a capital A) is the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to the software industry. Kill off that…
The "Agile" most people complain about is the same thing we had before "Agile" came. You've got 2 broad camps: people who really want to do adhoc development and would like an industry accepted word to call doing whatever-the-heck-I-feel-like. The other side are the people who, having risen to a position of influence are desperately trying to add value, even though they don't actually do anything that results in code…
There also is bullshit Agile of course, which you describe well, but that’s no different from any old software process that’s more bureaucracy than content.
My point is that the cynicism ignores actual differences in practice and process that can have an order of magnitude impact on performance, and its not always “obvious” for smart people to adopt such practices.
Consider Lean manufacturing: the Japanese thought it was just a common sense extrapolation of Henry Ford’s system of organization. It still took decades for the US auto manufacturers (including Ford!) to wrap their heads around it.
There were plenty of crooks and charlatans in that field too. It didn’t negate the importance of what Toyota had figured out.