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Re: Can I Email: ‘Can I Use’ for email

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jandrese wrote: post #162
tzs wrote: post #154

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I wish there was a browser extension to handle that. It would provide an editing area that would allow you to edit using the same markup on different sites, and when you are done would translate to whatever markup format that site uses and fill in the site's edit area with that.

There are some bits of typical markdown syntax that I really don't like. Like pasting code requires you to add 4 spaces to the start of every line and an extra linefeed between each line. That's a lot of work and every time I do it I say "How is this better than ?" I've yet to see what I'd really like: preformatted text being surrounded by markers that make it easy to paste in, like so: Some regular text vvvvv Prefor…

> ...every time I do it I say "How is this better than 
?"...
From Gruber’s Markdown spec:
> Readability, however, is emphasized above all else.

      
    

    
  

  
  

    

      
Re: Can I Email: ‘Can I Use’ for email

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The first one does not work great in a terminal. The words are readable but I don't get the full experience. The second one, pretty good.

  




    
    
Seems like your terminal doesn't support the last line. I will repeat all three lines in tunarly fashion. Line 1: " You have wøn a prize! " Unincluded line; my sister got bitten by a prize once. Or a terminal. Onto line twø: two: Line two: (2:) " ie don't any mua let you use UTF8? " And three: " Does this work? " All the lines for all the good people. The " signs " are a delimiter for each line. They're, or should be…

  




      
      
Ah, I referred to the third line, "𝔻𝕠𝕖𝕤 𝕥𝕙𝕚𝕤 𝕨𝕠𝕣𝕜? ", as the "second one" in my message, without mention for line 2, which renders correctly, fortunately. But thanks for the heads up.

      
    

    
  

  
  

    

      
Re: Can I Email: ‘Can I Use’ for email

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    e12e wrote:
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    pbhjpbhj wrote:
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Y̗̳̬͍̘͚o͘u͏ ͏̬̟̩h̦̕a̰̖͍̟v̧̯̜͉͙̖͖͉e҉̳̲̙͚̗̬ ̤͚͉̀w̢̫͎̮̼͇o̷̮̙̩n̪͙͎̠͔ ̻̮a̛̭ ̡̪̤̻ͅp̵̭͇r̩͉į̬̺̭̯͍͙z̯͈͟e!͖̖͈̯ ie don't any mua let you use UTF8? 𝔻𝕠𝕖𝕤 𝕥𝕙𝕚𝕤 𝕨𝕠𝕣𝕜?

  




    
    
Firefox on mobile mangle that pretty bad on - at least the vertical space :/

  




      
      
Firefox Mobile renders it well for me, are you sure that the comment is not rendered as it should be (with garbage from line 1 overflowing over line 2)?

      
    

    
  

  
  

    

      
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Why is markdown so popular? It seems so braindead.

  




    
    
# why is markdown so popular? ## (my opinion) Markdown is fast to type for the majority of use cases since you have: - bullet points - headings - __bold__ - __italic__ - `inline code` - etc ``` fn you_even(_have: &str) -> &str { "nifty little code blocks without needing to indent" } ``` And more importantly, markdown syntax preserves the structure of the document without harming legibility, unlike say latex or HTML.…

  




      
      
Sorry, poor choice of words.
I thought hacker news used markdown, but I guess has its own thing.
I can see the severely constrained formatting options of hacker news has both positive and negative consequences.

      
    

    
  

  
  

    

      
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Thinking in terms of "conversion rates" feels to me like the reason why we're in this mess. Email to me isn't about conversion and advertising newsletters. It's about written information, so there's no reason to even support HTML, in most cases. Arguably there's situation where an image will help in conveying information, or where a table will make information more readable. There's no situation where CSS is required…

  




    
    
Written information clearly benefits from bold, italics, ordered and unordered lists, section headers, etc. Normal people don’t really understand text surrounded by underscores or asterisks (I never receive messages with those constructs from non-technical people). Formatting lists or indented quotes (also common in “normal” email usage) using white spaces and other semi-arbitrary characters is tedious and brittle. T…

  




      
      
It is useful to have a way to represent structural and semantic information in email text (paragraphs, headings, quotes etc.), but not custom layouts and styling — that should remain under full control of the reader.

      
    

    
  

  
  
  
  

    

      
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I believe Outlook still uses the Microsoft Frontpage html engine. For those who don’t know, it’s was Microsoft WYSIWYG website builder that looked similar to Word, from 20 years ago. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_FrontPage

  




    
    
Nope, believe it or not, ever since Outlook 2007 it uses the HTML rendering engine from Word itself. Seriously! Someone at Microsoft looked at Outlook and said "this needs to have the same rendering capabilities as noted Web browser Microsoft Word." Sheesh.

  




      
      
I think they thought ‘lets just use Word to compose replies, but to prevent the email from getting corrupted once the user hits reply, we’ll already mangle it on the way in so the sender gets the blame’

      
    

    
  

  
  

    

      
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    jandrese wrote:
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    tzs wrote:
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I wish there was a browser extension to handle that. It would provide an editing area that would allow you to edit using the same markup on different sites, and when you are done would translate to whatever markup format that site uses and fill in the site's edit area with that.

  




    
    
There are some bits of typical markdown syntax that I really don't like. Like pasting code requires you to add 4 spaces to the start of every line and an extra linefeed between each line. That's a lot of work and every time I do it I say "How is this better than ?" I've yet to see what I'd really like: preformatted text being surrounded by markers that make it easy to paste in, like so: Some regular text vvvvv Prefor…

  




      
      
The most common way to do this is with triple backticks:
    Some regular text

    ```
    Preformatted text
    ```


While this isn't in the original spec (https://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax#precode) it's supported by GitHub, Stack Overflow, and most other places I find myself using a markdown flavor.

      
    

    
  

  
  

    

      
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    e12e wrote:
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Firefox on mobile mangle that pretty bad on - at least the vertical space :/

  




    
    
Firefox Mobile renders it well for me, are you sure that the comment is not rendered as it should be (with garbage from line 1 overflowing over line 2)?

  




      
      
I thought the owerflow should be "well behaved" (in terms of correct layout/vertical space)?
Is it correct to have "overhang" into the line below? Isn't it a case of incorrect layout?

      
    

    
  

  
  

    

      
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Post by michaelmrose » 

      
      


  

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You send me anything other than plain text in an email, and I don't already have a source filter for your address, it gets sent to a folder that I might look at if I have the time some day.

  




    
    
So you don't buy things online or travel or do your taxes digitally? 99% of important transactional email I get is HTML. Kind of nice to have your boarding passes and two-factor authentication emails easily visible.

  




      
      
Normally one does business on the website and then what one gets in their mail isn't an interactive utility running in their mail client but rather either some record of the transaction you will rarely need or a link to complete some activity on their actual website.
Click this link to reset your password or some such.

      
    

    
  

  





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