Tesla’s Autopilot found partly to blame for 2018 crash on the 405

Post by imtringued » Thu, Sep 05, 2019, 10:38 AM UTC

dreamcompiler wrote: post #9

Fire truck driver here: People crash into parked fire trucks and ambulances and cop cars all the damn time . That's why we park the Big Red Truck at an angle behind the accident -- so that when the 2-ton car crashes into the 30-ton truck, the car will bounce off and the people behind the truck (us) won't be injured. I don't disagree that Tesla's software is partly to blame here, but the null experiment also has a lou…

Post by tom_ » Thu, Sep 05, 2019, 10:52 AM UTC

bkor wrote: post #159

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There is no such thing as dangerously slowly - the fault lies with people that aren’t leaving enough room to take evasive action given their speed.

You'll be fined in The Netherlands for going too slow. They're not waiting for dangerously slow, way slower than any other traffic is enough. Example (Dutch, use Google Translate): https://www.rijnmond.nl/nieuws/124541/Flinke-boete-voor-te-l... A truck got a fine of 1500 EUR. The example was dangerously slow (eventually 40km/h), not just slow.

Post by imtringued » Thu, Sep 05, 2019, 10:53 AM UTC

quotemstr wrote: post #169

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I can't speak for others, but while this is true in aggregate, I'm not personally willing to stake my life on a system that can, on a 1-in-a-million event and with no warning, accelerate into a fatal collision. An otherwise 100% accident-free driving record matters not when I'm dead. The failure modes of these systems need to be much more gentle: when I'm confronted with an uncertainty while driving, I slow down and…

> while this is true in aggregate, I'm not personally willing to stake my life on a system Why not? Statistically, you're safer with an autonomous system. Unless you're sure you're a much better driver than average, your position is irrational.

Post by Cthulhu_ » Thu, Sep 05, 2019, 10:58 AM UTC

imtringued wrote: post #171

dreamcompiler wrote: post #9

Fire truck driver here: People crash into parked fire trucks and ambulances and cop cars all the damn time . That's why we park the Big Red Truck at an angle behind the accident -- so that when the 2-ton car crashes into the 30-ton truck, the car will bounce off and the people behind the truck (us) won't be injured. I don't disagree that Tesla's software is partly to blame here, but the null experiment also has a lou…

The difference is if an AI fails to handle a certain situation then it will fail every single time. With humans there is a random element and a small fraction end up failing.

Post by jakobegger » Thu, Sep 05, 2019, 11:23 AM UTC

dreamcompiler wrote: post #168

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As another fire engine driver (now officer), this is why more and more departments are employing "blocker engines", old decommissioned, stripped engines to provide this security, without risking a $500,000 engine to $1.5MM tiller. Also, anything that fails to assume that emergency traffic may be at a vastly differing speed from other traffic, or that emergency lights should _almost exclusively result in an autopilot…

> As another fire engine driver (now officer), this is why more and more departments are employing "blocker engines", old decommissioned, stripped engines to provide this security, without risking a $500,000 engine to $1.5MM tiller. Very interesting idea! You wouldn't even need a dedicated bay for it because who cares if it gets faded in the sun or rained on? An old tender that still holds water would be perfect for…