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Post by lucb1e »

userSumo wrote: post #165
cronix wrote: post #151

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I've seen thousands of Chrome ads in my life. On TV, on FB, on other ads on other websites, etc. I really don't think I've ever seen a FF ad. At least, I really can't recall seeing one. From what I've seen, the public has just not really heard of them. It's mostly just us geeks. It's hard to get market share when your audience doesn't even know you exist. And then you have Android, which comes with Chrome and has a m…

Interesting, i have never seen a browser ad in my life... is that in US or something?

Netherlands too, and I saw Google ads in Germany as well but not sure for which product.

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Post by jonathankoren »

rwc wrote: post #134
jonathankoren wrote: post #107

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Do you only leave the grocery store after a fight? I think you’re reading much more into this.

I think you're being naive to the way corporate communications work.

Go home and spend time with your family.

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Post by pcwalton »

rapind wrote: post #167
stebann wrote: post #129

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Anybody has some idea why that trend? Firefox is wonderful. I don't understand why more people aren't adopting this amazing browser.

I prefer firefox, but I'm on a mac and it runs pretty hot. I believe they're improving this though. Once performance is solved it'll be my default browser.

Some fixes for this have landed in Nightly. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522

Re: Thank you, Chris

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Post by cronix »

userSumo wrote: post #165
cronix wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen thousands of Chrome ads in my life. On TV, on FB, on other ads on other websites, etc. I really don't think I've ever seen a FF ad. At least, I really can't recall seeing one. From what I've seen, the public has just not really heard of them. It's mostly just us geeks. It's hard to get market share when your audience doesn't even know you exist. And then you have Android, which comes with Chrome and has a m…

Interesting, i have never seen a browser ad in my life... is that in US or something?

Just searched real quick on YouTube. It wasn't only in the US. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak8UKuQvM98

Here's one from 10 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAoKG5RW8Lk

Re: Thank you, Chris

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Post by smichel17 »

squarefoot wrote: post #113
huhtenberg wrote: post #15

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Mozilla is now openly peeing in Google's punch all the while being dependent on piles of money they take from it. At some point Google will get tired of this and will withdraw from the agreement. They won't be the default search provider, but that will play to their advantage - Firefox out-of-the-box user experience will take a sharp nose dive. Say all you want about DDG and alternatives, but they still can't hold a…

"Say all you want about DDG and alternatives, but they still can't hold a candle to Google's search quality." I use DDG as main search engine since a while. It usually works, but occasionally (less than 10% of searches however) I have to repeat the search using Google. The point being that even if I had to revert to Google for half of my searches, this would mean for Google 50% less information about my search habits…

I use DDG because it's superior to Google. Maybe not in results, but in UX. In particular, I use bangs ALL the time. Given that I can just add !g to quickly search Google in the <5% of the time (based on my history) that I need it, I prefer DDG. (I would still use it for privacy reasons even if it were worse -- it was and I did for several years).

Re: Thank you, Chris

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Post by waterhouse »

kbutler wrote: post #125
Vinnl wrote: post #50

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Firefox was a lot better than IE, but decimated is not the right word. I think it had about 25% market share at its peak? Chrome might be better than Firefox for some use cases, but the difference is definitely not as big as it used to be between Firefox and IE. Yet its market share is way higher. Which leads me to think it's not (just) about being better. I'd guess lock-in/cross-product marketing is another major fa…

decimate: kill, destroy, or remove a large percentage or part of.

The origin is pretty interesting.

> Decimation (Latin: decimatio; decem = "ten") was a form of Roman military discipline in which every tenth man in a group was executed by his cohorts.

Re: Thank you, Chris

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Post by jrochkind1 »

lucb1e wrote: post #169
_noqo wrote: post #112

I understand why this spark conversations about the current Firefox market share situation. But I also believe that Firefox's dominant past plays against when it comes to analyzing the product right now. Firefox is amazing, it works wonderfully, it continues to improve, respects privacy, adopts Mozilla's ethical values. Yes, not many people use it, but criticizing this point so aggressively I think it is also influen…

> Firefox's dominant past plays against I'm sorry, what? It was either the underdog of MSIE or of Chrome, it never was dominant the way the actual dominant browser at the time was dominant. The peak was 30%, and when Chrome took over from MSIE, it had 21% with MSIE and Chrome at 30% each.

What's it got now?

Re: Thank you, Chris

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Post by dragonwriter »

eznoonze wrote: post #75
huhtenberg wrote: post #15

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Mozilla is now openly peeing in Google's punch all the while being dependent on piles of money they take from it. At some point Google will get tired of this and will withdraw from the agreement. They won't be the default search provider, but that will play to their advantage - Firefox out-of-the-box user experience will take a sharp nose dive. Say all you want about DDG and alternatives, but they still can't hold a…

Are you sure the season that G gives you "better" results is not a consequence of them tracking you everywhere and know your preferences and habits?

> Are you sure the season that G gives you "better" results is not a consequence of them tracking you everywhere and know your preferences and habits?

I'm 100% sure that's why they give me better results.

The options seem to be:

(1) Don't use the web,

(2) Give up decent search results and engage in a (probably only with limited success) tedious eternal war to prevent Google from tracking me,

(3) Relax and let Google track me, but still give up the good search results, or

(4) Take the payment Google is offering in exchange for tracking.

Re: Thank you, Chris

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Post by gregknicholson »

jsgo wrote: post #159
jimmaswell wrote: post #142

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At this point I honestly wish chrome never happened.

I wish they hadn't maintained dominance as much as they have, but at the same time, IE being a non-standards compliant actor and Chrome at times including non-standard web features have brought out the best in Firefox: with IE, it forced Firefox to become a thing. With Chrome, it forced Firefox to streamline the cruft and become better. Now at least, users have choice of what they deem the "best browser" to be and I…

They'll have a passably-functioning tool, which is a pretty low bar that I think we still set so low because we remember IE6.

But the sort of people who use whatever's put in front of them because they don't know or care are exactly the sort of people who need a browser that isn't actively hostile to their privacy and autonomy.

Greedy businesses are preying on vulnerable technophobes, and we who grok should make sure those vulnerable people have their best interests looked after by organisations whose motives genuinely align — not by big tech firms behaving like ambulance-chasing quack doctors, who'll sell you any number of appendectomies.

Re: Thank you, Chris

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Post by jldugger »

huhtenberg wrote: post #15
spiderfarmer wrote: post #4

Chris was great from what I have seen, but I think Mozilla needs a CEO that knows how to increase market share.

Mozilla is now openly peeing in Google's punch all the while being dependent on piles of money they take from it. At some point Google will get tired of this and will withdraw from the agreement. They won't be the default search provider, but that will play to their advantage - Firefox out-of-the-box user experience will take a sharp nose dive. Say all you want about DDG and alternatives, but they still can't hold a…

> At some point Google will get tired of this and will withdraw from the agreement.

AFAICT, the situation is not so different from the days where Microsoft was paying Apple to avoid a defacto finding of monopoly.

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