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Re: Google's software mistreats or harms the user

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https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html Apple's Operating Systems are Malware Is there anything these guys like? Stallman and Gnu are extremists

> Is there anything these guys like? Stallman and Gnu are extremists People fighting for human rights have always been labeled extremists, it's not a particularly original idea you had there.

Calling the fight for "free software" as defined by the FSF a matter of human rights is a bit of a stretch, eh?

Re: Google's software mistreats or harms the user

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This is purposely written in a foreboding way. A lot of this stuff is standard SaaS procedure. Google does tend to make some boneheaded moves though and Transparency is constant struggle for them. I personally stopped using chrome due to manifest V3. Not because of the tracking, the tracking makes my life easier. Just keep things secure, ok?

> This is purposely written in a foreboding way. A lot of this stuff is standard SaaS procedure. Just because it's standard , doesn't mean it's moral . FSF has been speaking about immorality of these practices for decades now. Their point is essentially that as a software creator, you shouldn't do it, and as a user, you shouldn't (for both ethical and practical reasons) subject yourself to these practices.

Casting the vast majority of tech workers as immoral is a great way to win people over. Pragmatism wins over purity, and the FSF is far, far, far from pragmatic.

Re: Google's software mistreats or harms the user

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The DRM stance is ambiguous IMO. Property rights of content creators are generally considered worth protecting in a good society. The issue is with locked down software which 1) abuses this privacy to violate user privacy, and 2) takes the creative freedoms that the software publishers enjoyed when they wrote their software and creates a contract which denies those freedoms to their users. I feel like we would better highlight the core complaint by calling the issue Digital Rights Reciprocity.

Re: Google's software mistreats or harms the user

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait but that's literally what the auto complete feature does. Most users understand the value of the feature (they use it!) but there's a good reason to spell out the cost too. I agree with the criticism that they should draw a clearer line between the cost and the benefit but there's nothing to be gained by softening the language used to describe the cost.

I'd naively consider a keylogger to be software that captures your keypresses universally. I use Firefox and have search suggestions disabled there so I am somewhat sympathetic to their point. That said, calling server-side autocomplete on a field you explicitly are typing in strikes me as about as sensible and forthright as calling an Amazon text field that takes my credit card number a card skimmer.

How about an Amazon text field that takes your credit card number before you submit the form?

There's no warning that a text field autocompletes, and no reason to assume all users are tech savvy enough to realize that google has to see every character typed to send back recommendations.

Re: Google's software mistreats or harms the user

#176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You bring up regulatory controls on banks, but then dismiss them as if most folks would willingly put their money into them if the regulations weren't there. If you'd trust the bank with your money without the regulations, I'd love to send you details about the bank I'm forming.

You've managed to acknowledge and then ignore the point. You aren't trustworthy. Or maybe you are, but I don't know that. A bank is. There's history of acting, if not ethically, at least not totally unethically, even without government regulations. Wells Fargo, Visa, and Coinbase all have decreasing sets of regulations, but all have more consumer trust than "badrequest".

> There's history of acting, if not ethically, at least not totally unethically, even without government regulations.

I do not believe that this is a thing that is true. There is no well-known history of ethical unregulated banks.

Re: Google's software mistreats or harms the user

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Given this thread and the one about Apple, I can't help but notice that Microsoft feels, to me, much better on that front. Far from perfect or even good enough for the (very sane) criterias GNU aims for, but I feel very much more in control of my Microsoft box that I am of my Apple or Google one. Of course there are dozen of areas where Microsoft fails as bad as the other two, but I notice there are a couple dozen wh…

You may feel in control and may believe using a closed source 3rd party to tweak few Windows settings gets you somewhere, but research as well as Microsoft own words shows that you were fooled.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20556095

Re: Google's software mistreats or harms the user

#178

All of this is trivially and obviously true to power users of GNU/Linux systems. My machine does precisely what I want, when I want it, in the way that I want it. If it doesn't, within reasonable constraints like physical possibility, I can open a text editor, and make it do so. Sure, that might take me a long time. I can add almost all of this configuration to stuff like git repos; back it up; transfer it between co…

The fact that you have a beef with USB tethering does not refute the fact that OSS usability is generally shit, and that would likely also apply to smartphones. So it’s a choice between “good” and “poor, but OSS.”

"Good" is in the eye of the beholder, surely.

A TV dinner is extremely usable compared to say, cooking from scratch.

It has its' benefits. Not for me, though.

Re: Google's software mistreats or harms the user

#179

I feel like DRM is basically the prisoner's dilemma at this point where it's in everyone's interest to give it up, but no one wants to be the first person to do it. But honestly it's weird for GNU to fault the person being held at gunpoint for the situation, not the person holding the gun.

These are not people, they are businesses; and they are not victims, but producers of a product that they can also choose not to produce, or to produce differently.

Re: Google's software mistreats or harms the user

#180

The "censorship software" point is extremely dumb. I have kids. I want them to have a phone for communication purposes when they move from place to place (come back from school). I also want the to lock down the phone so if they sneak it out or something, they can't watch it for 12 straight hours. That's it. That's what this does.

Consented censorship (i.e. opt in) is not only something good, but I believe it's an important factor in what's keeping decentralized social networks back. Users want the ability to censor gore, porn, etc. Facebook seems particularly competent in filtering this kind of content.
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