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Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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I would bet money that Amazon has an internal LLC/P&L for this type of non-competes and litigation. I can see it now: _We implemented automatic non-compete lawsuits and income and increased 3x/month-over-month._

Non-compete as a Service! Wait for the AWS product code name and API soon /s

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

#172

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As it turns out: You cannot "just move company" unless you live in California.

The entire east coast seems pretty well situated for job switching, too.

I think theyre referring to how noncompetes can be enforced everywhere except California.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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I'm sure they do pay well, it's just that they seem to assume that ever random person in Europe would be jumping to work for them. I'd have to be around the $150k in a city where large (180-200m2 inside on 600-800m2 land, with a double garage) high quality house would cost $2000 a month in mortgage payments. That's basically where I stand now. I have no idea what houses cost in the places they were talking about (Tor…

That's artful! Your salary request is very reasonable assuming you've got the kinds of skills Amazon wants. Which is obviously the case. But your housing parameters will freak them out. I'm seeing that the average house within Toronto city limits goes for $1.39 million. Your mortgage-payment cap lets you borrow only $410,000 or so at current Canadian rates. So they need to pay you a lot more to get you into the house…

Yeah, that's about 2-2.5x what it costs here; the 2k a month is what you pay on a loan of 500k for 30 years repayment.

I have absolutely 0 interest in moving, it's nice here: we have a proper Democracy (proportional representation), you can cycle everywhere and the culture is socially liberal* and understanding.

* The Netherlands is very socially liberal, but I live in the Bible Belt where a large proportion are socially conservative. However people learn to accept each other's differences and the PR ensures that certain groups don't get a disproportionate voice. I actually like living here: Bible Belt means community and a similar decency standard whilst live-and-let-live means that our LGBT friends can actually live their lives in the open.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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> The tech industry has the best horizontal mobility of any other right now. Until you age out. And you will age out.

At what year does this happen? I'm 57 and finding it harder than ever to land a position this time around, just when one would think otherwise...

I'm not sure I'm following--you're 57 and finding it harder to find a job?

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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> Do you think any of the tech companies would treat their blue collar workers any better? Okay, but we're talking about what Amazon is doing now , not how other hypothetical companies may or may not treat potential employees.

Those companies are not hypothetical at all though.

Then they're shitty companies that you shouldn't work for, either.

I read scarface's comment as implying that every company is equally shitty, the only distinction being that some have been given the opportunity to show their ass and some haven't.

My counter argument is that companies that are actively doing bad things are worse than companies that aren't.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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I can tell you from experience, the internal Amazon stack is not cool or inventive.

If anything it’s scary. From what I’ve heard software engineering practices at AWS leave much to be desired.

Yep, it's almost as much've a shit-storm as Amazon's internal tools - which are rife with errors and pushed by Amazonians because "open source is shit" (verbatim from a lead engineer).

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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I interviewed with AWS for an analyst/business intelligence engineer role. When asked to write a query to get the total GDP by month per country, I wrote a query along the lines of: select date_trunc('month',datecolumn) as month, country, sum(GDP) over (partition by date_trunc('month', datecolumn), country) FROM the_table order by 1 The interviewer asked me if I was missing something. I said no. "Don't you need an ad…

These things can always be childish when working with a bad interviewer. I once had an engineer keep interrupting me while I was explaining how sockets work because I wasn't covering small minutia details. Interviewing is an insane process. This is why building networks is more valuable so you're basically being interviewed by people you've already worked with.

I get too distracted wondering if these people are always like this or just in interviews.

The silver lining is that I don't get jobs where the interviewers make me uncomfortable, so I don't have to deal with them more than once.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

#178
I'm wary of Amazon since they have a terrible reputation for tech work in addition to warehouse and delivery work. People who I've talked to who work there have not entirely refuted this for me.

Non-compete agreements are garbage and are unfortunately very common - I wouldn't be surprised to find them at Google, Apple, etc.. Employment contracts are usually "take it or leave it" in that regard, though personally I try to cross out everything I disagree with before signing one.

I'm surprised it's even legal to require employees to sign an agreement preventing them from quitting to work for a competitor. It seems like just the sort of violation of freedom to work, and a harmful restriction of the labor market, that should be illegal under labor law.

Like all employment agreements, it's also absurdly asymmetrical. Imagine this "if the company ends your employment for any reason, company agrees not to compete with you or your next employer in any way - including but not limited to products, services, and labor - for a period of 18 months subsequent to the end of your employment." No sane company would agree to this, since they would effectively have to shut down for 18 months (and lose 18 months of income.) But they are perfectly OK enforcing such an agreement on their employees.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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I interviewed with AWS for an analyst/business intelligence engineer role. When asked to write a query to get the total GDP by month per country, I wrote a query along the lines of: select date_trunc('month',datecolumn) as month, country, sum(GDP) over (partition by date_trunc('month', datecolumn), country) FROM the_table order by 1 The interviewer asked me if I was missing something. I said no. "Don't you need an ad…

In my experience, it is not unusual at that company for an interviewer to have poor knowledge of the technical subject matter they are asking you about, and to be unaware of this fact. Amazon has some extremely bright engineers but, unlike some of the other tech companies, there quite apparently doesn't seem to be a quality floor either and you can be unlucky in an interview.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

#180

I've been approached a few times by Amazon recruiters, I reply back with my salary and profit share demands and that usually shuts them up. I guess that they must have some luck picking up junior developers from Europe, or maybe people who like the idea of living in the US or Canada for a few years so are willing to take the cut.

I've heard many stories of people taking Amazon jobs till their H1B application goes through and then jumping ship. Amazon seems to be well aware of this trend, however, and they make sure to squeeze a lot of work out of these people, holding the sponsorship over their heads.

And I've heard from amazon employees that the options vesting period is weighted toward your second and third year, and few people get enough options to keep their income up (or at least going up) after that. So a lot of people tough out their third year and then walk away from the rest. There's only so much cumulative bullshit people are willing to take and if your income/bullshit ratio is going down, you won't last long.
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