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No ingenuity is a match for police. And China has shown that they mean business when things risk getting out of (their) hand
> No ingenuity is a match for police. You’re going to have a real hard time getting the typical American to buy into this perspective.
At what point do we stop calling it the Hong Kong Protests and instead call it the Hong Kong Riots?
you need to know the whole chain of events to understand what happened at Yuen Long last night. also you need to know the unique identity of Yuen Long in order to comprehend the situation. Yuen Long is a village of people from several big family names, they are all relatives in a way. have their own system and rules and really hate outsiders telling them what to do. in history, they fought with British, fought with J…
Is the population of the New Territories North region less sympathetic with the pro-democracy protesters than Hong Kong Island and Kowloon? They appear to have commercial ties to Shenzhen across the border. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Yuen_Long_protest
Excellent analysis here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20492145 The Chinese and HK governments have realized they've lost the culture wars and public opinion so they've resorted to the tried and tested handbook of authoritarian governments, to create a cycle of violence to create justification for cracking down. This is a provocation. Protesters will now counter arm themselves with similar bats and stick…
Non-violent resistance is an option, but it requires very tough attitude. If people would just take the beating and lay down, like Gandhi-led resistance against Brits did, it could break down the violent strategy.
Seems to me this is Tiananmen part 2 unfolding before our eyes. And doesnt look like anyone will come to Hongkongs help. Hoping India will step up and do something. Seems unlikely though.
> Seems to me this is Tiananmen part 2 unfolding before our eyes. Regarding Tiananmen 2.0, reportedly People's Liberation Army claimed on 13 June not to intervene [1], but some recent comment on 22 July may suggest otherwise [2]. At the end of the day, it boils down to whether the benefit is more than the cost of rolling out PLA. One concern for CCP is that Taiwan is holding its president election next March, and the…
Quite a caveat there, unfortunately :-)
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May not work these days. The British were half decent and still they killed thousands of people before they left India. If the protestors continue non-violently, we'll simply see them shot with rubber bullets and carted off, or barricaded and starved out. Countries these days are willing to escalate into violence since every major country has more than enough blood on its hands and prefers tacitly looking the other w…
One wonders if the British were even half decent when you consider their long history of colonial and imperial oppression. One might conclude they were fully indecent, in fact.
Could one make a case in favour of China's one party system by likening it to Apple's tightly integrated ecosystem? I mean, people argue that technology works better when one system controls the hardware, the software and the ecosystem around it. Could the same principle apply to human society? Which is an order of magnitude more complex than a piece of technology. Again, I don't know if this argument has been made b…
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No ingenuity is a match for police. And China has shown that they mean business when things risk getting out of (their) hand
> No ingenuity is a match for police. You’re going to have a real hard time getting the typical American to buy into this perspective.
Hong Kong is more or less an island, a small one. China can fill the "1,104-square-kilometre (426 sq mi) territory" with soldiers and police in a heartbeat. Nothing you can do, cops already know the 1000+ leaders of the movement and they will be arrested or killed in the first hours. Etc etc
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One wonders if the British were even half decent when you consider their long history of colonial and imperial oppression. One might conclude they were fully indecent, in fact.
Do you think these protests would be happening if the British had kept hold of their former colony HK? Do you think it's strange that some of the HK protestors have been waving the flag of their former colonial masters?
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No ingenuity is a match for police. And China has shown that they mean business when things risk getting out of (their) hand
> No ingenuity is a match for police. You’re going to have a real hard time getting the typical American to buy into this perspective.
The typical American probably sides with the police over protesters in most situations.
The only protesters that can match the police are those with inside support. It's how certain people can demonstrate while carrying rifles without issues, while other unarmed peaceful protesters can be corralled, brutalized, and arrested.