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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Expect, YouTube is a monopoly in monetizing video content. It's like asking an app developer to not publish with [Apple, Google] if they disagree with their policies. Sure, they can choose to not publish, but with that choice goes away the ability to monetize their app in the real world Big tech has gotten even more powerful and necessary at a practical level, with none of the guarantees of fair treatment the governm…

Vimeo? Facebook?

Facebook is just as restrictive as Google. Vimeo doesn't compare to YouTube in any way. To follow the analogy of the parent comment, Vimeo is like only being able to publish on the Amazon app store.

If we accept this ownership of the digital space by corporations, our future is looking very bleak.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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> Like, you aren't teaching people how to safely shoot or reviewing firearms, you're doing stupid stuff that is extremely dangerous and absolutely should not be replicated by viewers at home. I agree. We should only publish videos of things that are safe for viewers to replicate.

I'm afraid this comment may fall afoul of Poe's law - but I think I agree. In my elementary school, That Favorite Science Teacher made gunpowder as an in-class demonstration, as well as hydrogen balloons. Should that content be allowed on YouTube? There are plenty of college-level chemistry demonstrations which have serious safety concerns; if not in the performance, then in the safe and ethical disposal. Cody's view…

I think doing things in a safe method are fine.

Channels like NileRed discuss that this is dangerous, that is dangerous, I'm properly venting and wearing a respirator, I have to do these steps so this is safe to dispose of etc. That is safe, channels like this are commendable.

Channels like BackyardScientist and Cody's Lab where you are making your own nitro and whacking it with a steak knife or making weapons firing rather fast moving (and heavy) projectiles in your backayrd in the suburbs... yeahhh not so much (or worse, the time DemolitionRanch fired a proper firearm inside his HOUSE).

Channels like TheSlowMoGuys and Hydraulic Press Channel/Beyond the Press are the grey area. They both use some safety precautions and both often stress "don't try this yourself" or some such, but they also do stuff that is still pretty dangerous and questionable at best like getting inside giant water balloons for Slow and making rocket engines out of "play doo" for Beyond.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Can you cite your sources?

Probably referring most recently to the Project Veritas video where a Google exec talked about how they're going to work on "preventing the next Trump situation" and how if Google is broken up, the smaller companies won't have the resources to do that. Lots of other such leaks and material also pointing to political manipulation by Google in this. There were some Congressional hearings about it recently. The video wa…

This is what I posted in response to someone else:

If Project Veritas is indeed what OP was referencing, then the claim can be easily dismissed without viewing the "source" footage, given Veritas' and O'Keefe's extensive history of selective editing, fraudulent claims, dubious methods and borderline entrapment[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#Major_works

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Google is going to regret this in a few years, when it needs security experts and they are in short supply (or rather shorter; they are already in short supply). Maybe we should be commoditizing security knowledge, which is what a platform such as you tube is capable of. Besides, there's a whole internet full of resources, and this isn't going to stop the script kiddies. The real issue is the nation state hackers from Iran, N. Korea, China, Russia. They are the problem.

Companies I know of and that people I know work with have been the victim of ransomware many times. It is almost always Iran or N. Korea, and companies I know of have even been victimized twice (they took a look while inside and found another vector; the second time, they knew they had insurance and would pay again). Then there's the espionage - if you're bigger or have something China or Russia wants, they'll go after you.

The FBI classifies this as terrorism, and yet does nothing. These are acts of war, and we keep getting stepped on because our government does nothing. Most of us know fully well that our three-letter agencies have exploits capable of disabling just about any thing; it's time they start knocking Iranian, North Korean, Chinese, and Russian infrastructure offline as a retaliatory measure. Each time we trace another attack to one of them, a power plant goes down (or something alike). This is the only solution I can see.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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I'd bet that some employees at Google got their interest and possibly initial exposure to infosec by watching, or reading similar (like Phrack 'zine back in the late 80s). Perhaps they're even doing very important things, like working for Project Zero. It would be interesting to know how many people who work in infosec started "on the dark side." I don't think it would be rare, at all. The few actual whitehats I've met sure didn't start out as white hats, and got their start with info publicly available.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Vimeo isn't clean, they banned Alex Jones for believing (edit: and yes, saying) unacceptable things.

Your edit doesn't go far enough. He encouraged hate against the parents of the children killed at the Sandyhook mass shooting. Yes, Jones has a right to be a crackpot, but it ends when it infringes on the rights of the people Jones' audience harassing.

You may be applying an uneven standard by wanting to ban the speech that turns your stomach, but not the speech that turns the Corporate Overlord's stomachs. You could argue that hacking videos encourage computer crime - the counterargument would be that there are plenty of reasons to talk about something other than to actually encourage people to do it. In fact, Alex Jones' defense in one court case he was in was that he was a satirist.

At the very least, these decisions should be made in court, where the judges are elected and the proceedings are public. Of course that can't happen because the courts have already decided in favor of the speech-miscreants. What Alex Jones was doing is absolutely permitted in our society; and I think there's some wisdom in the reasoning behind why that is.

There's nothing less popular than relativism in the midst of a moral outrage, but you have to bear in mind that some of your favorite things were probably at one time (and could easily become again) moral outrages. Alex Jones could just as easily have been caught "encouraging homosexuality in our children," "fomenting hate against church officials," "advocating against job creation," or anything else that the ruling party was against. You'd just have to change the names, places, and times.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

#179

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Unless they themselves are also terrible people, I can't imagine that they don't have some plan to combat this given how obvious of a problem it's been. They mention respect in the header at least...

How do they combat that without being accused, as youtube is here, of censorship? Will they disallow child porn? How about videos advocating violence against specific people? How about obviously libelous videos, like ones claiming, say, Donald Trump is running a child prostitution ring from the basement of a pizza parlor? When they get sued for hosting such content, who is going to pay their legal bills?

How about they disallow all the illegal content you are using as examples? Legal speech should not be censored.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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One effective way to protest this would be to report videos by high-profile companies such as Microsoft, Amazon, and Google itself. Take a few minutes to look for a video about Azure or AWS or GCP, or a video of a presentation at a conference around such things, and report it as Inappropriate content citing the relevant terms of service. Be very careful only to report content that conforms to the above description —…

It's called selective enforcement.

What is?
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