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Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by dcbadacd »

austinshea wrote: post #163
apexalpha wrote: post #118

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Counterpoint: WE don't live in an ideal world and AMP is my only option of getting de-bloated webpages. I would love if managers and directors would do this themselves and AMP wouldn't be needed, but that's just not the case. I have to choose between downloading some text and images to read an article or load 5MB JavaScript SinglePageApp with tracking, ads, auto playing video's... I know in an ideal world AMP would b…

Why is it your only option? AMP sucks, and I don't see why any user would feel like they need it. AMP is about getting into the carousel search results, and if AMP wasn't the only way to do that, we wouldn't feel forced to use it. To just download text and images I use www.outline.com, but there are lots of ways to accomplish this.

How is using an external service to debloat pages okay but AMP isn't? Feels ass-backwards to me.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by splatcollision »

ehnto wrote: post #36
splatcollision wrote: post #26

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Javascript!

It's the year 2067, all websites are now npm packages. If you want to view a website, you must require it into your browser's package.json.

Season 6 black mirror pitch idea right here

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by dcbadacd »

untog wrote: post #126
apexalpha wrote: post #118

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Counterpoint: WE don't live in an ideal world and AMP is my only option of getting de-bloated webpages. I would love if managers and directors would do this themselves and AMP wouldn't be needed, but that's just not the case. I have to choose between downloading some text and images to read an article or load 5MB JavaScript SinglePageApp with tracking, ads, auto playing video's... I know in an ideal world AMP would b…

> AMP is my only option of getting de-bloated webpages It isn't, though. Plenty of sites out there are de-bloated, and things like Reader Mode in browsers makes the rest work just fine.

Unfortunately site owners haven't debloated without AMP. "Reader Mode" is much less perfect than a proper AMP page.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by dcbadacd »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #169
apexalpha wrote: post #129

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I agree with you. I would prefer a world where AMP isn't needed and websites don't ad 4MB of bloat to their sites. But, we don't live in that world I'm afraid. And for many news websites I don't want to even begin downloading the auto-playing video on their page. So AMP is for many the easiest choice.

AMP is not needed to promote less bloated websites in search results. Google could easily boost the ranking of lightweight websites without AMP. AMP is an obvious abuse of a dominant market position and Google will come to regret it.

They could, but then we'd see a lot of cheaters even there, AMP is very locked down. I don't like the market position abuse either, but the other parties are far from guilt free.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by dcbadacd »

tyingq wrote: post #162
apexalpha wrote: post #133

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In which way is Google forcing you to AMP? I've never encountered a website that didn't also have a not-AMP version.

By not having a config item for their search to return the real url. And, as in the main story, the AMP page bricking the link to the real url.

They're working on signed exchanges, you'll soon see the "real URL" of the content.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

zrobotics wrote: post #170
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #60

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I could have sworn that Google promised a user preference to disable AMP results this year, but I can’t find any references. I’ve been using DuckDuckGo for over a year now and it’s just painful.

I'm just curious, since I see this brought up all the time- what is painful about DDG? The only times I have poor DDG results is for anything that leverages Google maps, such as a local business. Considering even Apple can't touch gMaps I don't find this surprising, but for general search I switched to DDG because the results were better. For example, my last search was "mdd 3754" to find the data sheet for a mosfet.…

I find their first result is usually as good as Google's, but what I am looking for is invariably #3+ and DDG just falls off a cliff.

And their image search is far inferior.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by tyingq »

dcbadacd wrote: post #175
tyingq wrote: post #162

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By not having a config item for their search to return the real url. And, as in the main story, the AMP page bricking the link to the real url.

They're working on signed exchanges, you'll soon see the "real URL" of the content.

On Chrome only. While still retaining mandatory Google controlled JavaScript in the page (which is what's broken in this story). Not sure why real url is in airquotes. It's an actual issue.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by ndiscussion »

ckuhl wrote: post #160
vbsteven wrote: post #152

So many people in this thread complain about AMP being forced on them as an end user. Nobody forces you to use Google... Just use another search engine like DuckDuckGo. It is sufficient for over 90% of my searches and I haven’t seen an amp page in ages. AMP for SEO is another discussion, in that case it is kind of forced on you if you want to rank high on the Googlenet.

The problem is that _everyone else uses Google_. Even though I don’t use Google for search, my friends do and they’ll gladly share AMP pages with me.

"Weird, what web site even is that?"

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by WD-42 »

bluetidepro wrote: post #124
apexalpha wrote: post #118

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Counterpoint: WE don't live in an ideal world and AMP is my only option of getting de-bloated webpages. I would love if managers and directors would do this themselves and AMP wouldn't be needed, but that's just not the case. I have to choose between downloading some text and images to read an article or load 5MB JavaScript SinglePageApp with tracking, ads, auto playing video's... I know in an ideal world AMP would b…

I understand your point, but I guess I just wish it wasn't an "either or" world, so we both could enjoy the web how we would respectively like. Why won't Google let us have both? Right now, I don't believe there is a way to disable AMP ( unless you use like a Firefox mobile extension for that specific use case ). That's what bothers me the most, personally. Google shoving it down our throats, and force feeding us AMP…

You can disable AMP by not using Google. DuckDuckGo doesn't have these problems.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by asdff »

rileymat2 wrote: post #147
hknd wrote: post #132

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The Google Search team is always ranking pages to get the best metric (ctr, time-spend-on-website), s.t. it indicates that users are happy with the result. If any feature/change introduces a regression, they will not ship it. (That kinda indicates that people outside of hn actually like amp) Keep in mind that: amp team != search team.

Time spent on a website is an interesting metric. I am curious if there are studies linking it to happy users. I would guess there are some interesting findings after you remove immediate bounces from the data.

Time spent on website is more time spent looking at advertisement. The last thing an advertiser wants is a user finding their answer quickly and closing the tab without engaging with any advertising.
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