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Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by dmitriid »

Fnoord wrote: post #160
dmitriid wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again Back to this statement: > What I'm not fine with is being forced to use Slack for work-related material. You don't want such sensitive data centralized. You want to host such yourself The moment you use IRCCloud all that sensitive data is on IRCCloud’s servers. How does “building a protocol in top of that (on top if what?)” help?

The point is that those who own the channel and/or server can enforce E2EE. They own the data. Its also possible someone on an IRC client is running a compromised server. Then you're also back to square one. Given we're talking in circles I'll withdraw from this discussion.

How can they enforce E2EE if IRC protocol doesn’t support it?

How can they enforce E2EE if very few if any IRC clients support it?

What good does “owning the data” do if the data ends up on IRCCloud’s servers anyway (companies who use Slack also own their data).

It’s quite telling that people have such a strong belief in the magic of protocols.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by kalado »

ve55 wrote: post #115
kalado wrote: post #23

I had that thought for months. I'll give you my business Idea for free for the next big social network, since I'd rather work on my game development: Chats based on hashtags. Are you watching the newest Game of Thrones ? Just search for #gameofthrones and enter the chat to talk with others. Chats go bad once too many people participate, so you split chats into channels of ~50. You can upvote messages and once they re…

A large issue I see with this is that of moderation. Discord, Slack, Reddit, and so on, all have appointed moderators for every community that keep users in-check according to community standards. With this idea, there are no 'owners' of any of these chatrooms, so are you going to moderate it centrally? That is a lot of work and requires a lot of people, just think about how much work it is to moderate a single twitc…

Yeah, that is a big problem. The only thing I can think of is to allow vote-kicks/bans. Account creation can only happen with mobile numbers to discourage spam and other violations and people just creating another account with a new mail.

You could also use this as an opportunity for another monetization system which allows people to pay for a reserved channel and moderation rights. The owners would be incentivized to behave in a reasonable manner because people could just move to an umoderated channel if they don't like the administration.

I see the chats in a semi persistent state between reddit/discord and kik/jodel etc.

Not persistent over weeks or months but also not as short lived as a one day discussion that gets lost in new posts.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by kalado »

lazyjones wrote: post #63
kalado wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't know what you are trying to say? I didn't mean using IRC (although you might of course).

He's trying to say that your "groundbreaking" hashtag idea is so similar to IRC that some people will be thinking you're being ironic.

That makes sense I guess. IRC channels are spread over thousands of servers though and not really discoverable or, in general, mainstream user friendly

And obviously it doesn't have to be a # character.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by kalado »

return1 wrote: post #80
kalado wrote: post #23

I had that thought for months. I'll give you my business Idea for free for the next big social network, since I'd rather work on my game development: Chats based on hashtags. Are you watching the newest Game of Thrones ? Just search for #gameofthrones and enter the chat to talk with others. Chats go bad once too many people participate, so you split chats into channels of ~50. You can upvote messages and once they re…

> Chats based on hashtags. > you split chats into channels of ~50 You are describing Kik

wow, haha I really am, the exact same number of people even. Just redownloaded it, last time I checked it out this didn't exist.

I'll try it out.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by lapinot »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #105
ggg2 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

almost every single irc server since 94 or so have some sort of logger. if not, it's an intentional design choice for that one community.

You're suggesting people scour logs for missed messages as if that's seriously your pitch for "IRC has that, too." This is exactly why people who are pro-IRC are watching the sun set on IRC and they don't have a flaming clue why beyond condescending suspicions like "it's the users who are idiots."

Maybe september is starting to end?

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by gylterud »

Udo wrote: post #24

Discord is eating the (chat) world, in the same way that Facebook has eaten social blogging, and Google has eaten email. I'm running a small site where people can play pen&paper-style roleplaying games together in small groups, featuring persistent channels and a wiki for each channel, in addition to the core dice rolling and chat functions ( https://rolz.org for anyone who's curious). The site has survived the stunn…

Just dropping by to say thank you for running rolz! My role-playing group use the site for dice rolling every week. We have been doing so for more than a year now, and it has been great.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by parliament32 »

kalado wrote: post #174
lazyjones wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's trying to say that your "groundbreaking" hashtag idea is so similar to IRC that some people will be thinking you're being ironic.

That makes sense I guess. IRC channels are spread over thousands of servers though and not really discoverable or, in general, mainstream user friendly And obviously it doesn't have to be a # character.

Thousands of servers that are federated together into a few networks. I shouldn't have to explain the benefits of a federated chat service vs a corporate monolith like you're describing. Is "/list" and sorting by members or searching for keywords really not discoverable?

All that aside, parent is right, you're basically re-inventing IRC. A more user-friendly client may be a good idea, but it's something that's really hard to make money on, so it's unlikely anyone would bother working on it.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by parliament32 »

ve55 wrote: post #115
kalado wrote: post #23

I had that thought for months. I'll give you my business Idea for free for the next big social network, since I'd rather work on my game development: Chats based on hashtags. Are you watching the newest Game of Thrones ? Just search for #gameofthrones and enter the chat to talk with others. Chats go bad once too many people participate, so you split chats into channels of ~50. You can upvote messages and once they re…

A large issue I see with this is that of moderation. Discord, Slack, Reddit, and so on, all have appointed moderators for every community that keep users in-check according to community standards. With this idea, there are no 'owners' of any of these chatrooms, so are you going to moderate it centrally? That is a lot of work and requires a lot of people, just think about how much work it is to moderate a single twitc…

Most similar online services go with the "first person who creates the channel gets mod privs, and can appoint further mods after"... you know, exactly like IRC.

Re: Group Chats Are Making the Internet Fun Again

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Post by kalado »

parliament32 wrote: post #178
kalado wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes sense I guess. IRC channels are spread over thousands of servers though and not really discoverable or, in general, mainstream user friendly And obviously it doesn't have to be a # character.

Thousands of servers that are federated together into a few networks. I shouldn't have to explain the benefits of a federated chat service vs a corporate monolith like you're describing. Is "/list" and sorting by members or searching for keywords really not discoverable? All that aside, parent is right, you're basically re-inventing IRC. A more user-friendly client may be a good idea, but it's something that's really…

It's discoverable by me and you, not by the average joe. When I was in school I created an IRC channel for us, I had to make a youtube video explaining how to install a client, connect to the server, reserve a username. I still got questions how to connect.

Anyway, as someone else let me now, kik intruduced exactly this feature with the exact same limit on users in one chat already.

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