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I regularly see people going around with their faces covered in Portland. For example, guy in dark clothes on a bmx bike riding down east bank esplanade. I assume that these folks have warrants. But I am not aware of any deployed facial recognition in Portland.
If they are doing it for that reason, that seems like a bad choice. That would stand out even more obviously than had they worn a T-shirt that said "The police are looking for me".
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Maybe in the countryside. Go to any West EU capital and you'll see planty of niqabs and burqas.
> you'll see plenty of ... burqas No, you won’t. The burqa is extremely rare in Western Europe. This is pointed out whenever political parties propose a burqa ban: a country would be banning something that isn’t even a significant thing there. IIRC, the total number of burqa wearers in all of France, for example, does not exceed 300. As for niqabs, you do see one from time to time, but they certainly aren’t common ag…
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> you'll see plenty of ... burqas No, you won’t. The burqa is extremely rare in Western Europe. This is pointed out whenever political parties propose a burqa ban: a country would be banning something that isn’t even a significant thing there. IIRC, the total number of burqa wearers in all of France, for example, does not exceed 300. As for niqabs, you do see one from time to time, but they certainly aren’t common ag…
I see a burqa weekly and 10+ niqabs every day, and the area that I live is not what you would call a "muslim zone". It's certainly not a tourist zone, so unlikely to be non-locals.
Slight correction: It seems he wasn't exactly fined for hiding his face. Police asked him to uncover his face and he told them to "piss off", for which he was fined.
That’s actually worse.
Scenario 1: You get fined if you refuse to expose your face.
Scenario 2: You get fined if you refuse to expose your face, and are rude about it.
I don't see how scenario 2 is worse than scenario 1: it seems obviously less bad. Now, maybe in fact it's
Scenario 1: You get fined if you refuse to expose your face.
Scenario 3: You get fined if you're rude to the police.
This comparison is more debatable, but I still prefer 3 to 1, because not exposing your face is a thing that has (so to speak) possible functional uses, so if you can't do it then you've lost something that could actually be useful to you, whereas being rude to the police -- which, for the avoidance of doubt, I do think people should be free to do -- isn't really something anyone has a particular need to do.
Again, I can understand why someone might prefer 1 to 3. But if my civil liberties are going to be gratuitously eroded, I'd prefer to lose ones whose value is only symbolic.
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> Telling an officer to "fuck off" or "piss off" is not a crime. This is largely true but > It's not an offense to be rude is rightly or wrongly a very broad grey area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_5_Public_Order_Act_198...
Also, if you're aggressive IIRC then it can be considered to be threatening.
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I see a burqa weekly and 10+ niqabs every day, and the area that I live is not what you would call a "muslim zone". It's certainly not a tourist zone, so unlikely to be non-locals.
At this point I can only assume that you are not operating with any standard scholarly definition of the word "burqa". There are different terms for the various modesty garments from the Muslim world for a reason.
Slight correction: It seems he wasn't exactly fined for hiding his face. Police asked him to uncover his face and he told them to "piss off", for which he was fined.
You'll find in the UK that it's quite common practice to use the vagueness in the law to pin a different charge on somebody. Being rude to a police officer isn't a chargeable offense, yet it'll be treated as such. The police have no requirement or training available to actually understand the nuances of the law, nor are they updated when the law changes. The British police is mostly under-trained and under-funded, es…
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At this point I can only assume that you are not operating with any standard scholarly definition of the word "burqa". There are different terms for the various modesty garments from the Muslim world for a reason.
He just used the terms correctly. Is your response to losing an argument to gaslight their vocabulary? That is not very sporting, even for hn.
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He just used the terms correctly. Is your response to losing an argument to gaslight their vocabulary? That is not very sporting, even for hn.
How do you know he is using the term correctly? Seeing burqas regularly in Western Europe would be so extraordinary a thing, that assuming that he is using the term incorrectly is kinder than the other conclusion that could be drawn about his claim. From the downvoting of his posts, others too notice something is off.
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