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Popular Google Play store apps are abusing permissions and committing ad fraud

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Re: Popular Google Play store apps are abusing permissions and committing ad fraud

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I'm not saying it's legal or anything of the sort. It's probably some kind of fraud or copyright infringement, but it's not theft.

Accessing a paid service by taking the API key out of another app without the consent of the service provider would be theft of services. In most US states theft of services falls under the same law as theft of personal property.

I see. Would that also apply to e.g. circumventing a paywall to read an article?

Re: Popular Google Play store apps are abusing permissions and committing ad fraud

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I also heavily heavily hate the idea that they sign everything, the app stores must not be trusted. They should only be signing over packages already reproducibly compiled.

Why? Isn't that how signatures of any Linux distro work too? The packager signs the package not the developer.

Because they force users to trust them unnecessarily.

Re: Popular Google Play store apps are abusing permissions and committing ad fraud

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I also heavily heavily hate the idea that they sign everything, the app stores must not be trusted. They should only be signing over packages already reproducibly compiled.

What are you expecting them to do, not host non-reproducible builds at all? Android will not run unsigned apps. This would result in F-Droid having exactly 3 apps. They're working on getting more reproducible builds but the build system is not exactly great for it.

> What are you expecting them to do, not host non-reproducible builds at all?

Yes.

Re: Popular Google Play store apps are abusing permissions and committing ad fraud

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Here is a solution for this problem: let's devalue mobile advertisements. How? Simple: every time you see an ad, add the product advertised to a blacklist. Refuse to download any app that advertises to you. I've been doing this for a few years, and have felt no negative effects; in fact I have way less app clutter on my phone, and I still find all of the apps that I look for. Advertising has changed in nature; it use…

I appreciate the vigour, but it's probably easier to just use an ad blocker: https://f-droid.org/app/org.blokada.alarm

An adblocker keeps you from being exposed to an advertisement. This means you'll be adding zero value to the ad. What I'm talking about is a boycott, and you'll add negative value to it. I find this much more effective, and again, it has had no discernable negative effect on my life. I research to find the things I need. Word of mouth is more powerful, and gives more value to people's opinions.

Re: Popular Google Play store apps are abusing permissions and committing ad fraud

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I should have been more specific but my app needs to record GPS with the screen off and with the app not focused which web apps can't do.

I guess your app is Android only - I can't imagine this working well on any iOS device, regardless of being a native app.

Hm, I'm not sure how iOS apps do it. My app is a fitness app that records activities, the app has to remain running in the background so the recording isn't interrupted.

Re: Popular Google Play store apps are abusing permissions and committing ad fraud

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Did you ask why those companies (Cheetah mobile, Du group,...) which caught red-handed still allow to distribute apps in Google Play store?

I did. I also asked the same Q when I helped catch Cheetah Mobile and Kika Tech doing ad fraud: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/android-... And when I busted a large ad fraud scheme of dozens of apps: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/how-a-ma... In all cases Google basically said it takes action against specific apps found violating policy. It seems unwilling to take action agai…

Yes. Google prioritizes themselves, business partners over end consumers. I have seen many high ranked apps, which clearly violate Google Play store policy (For instance, placing ads on user lock screen)

Yet, those apps are being ranked higher than other honest apps, which are doing business in honest way.

These day, Google is not willing to do the right thing, unless being pressured by press media, or EU.

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I guess your app is Android only - I can't imagine this working well on any iOS device, regardless of being a native app.

Hm, I'm not sure how iOS apps do it. My app is a fitness app that records activities, the app has to remain running in the background so the recording isn't interrupted.

It's the background part im not sure about. You can e.g. start Runtastic on an iPhone and it won't close if you switch to Music or messages or whatever but I don't know for sure that it'll be allowed to run in the background for extended periods of time.

Re: Popular Google Play store apps are abusing permissions and committing ad fraud

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post #125

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What are you expecting them to do, not host non-reproducible builds at all? Android will not run unsigned apps. This would result in F-Droid having exactly 3 apps. They're working on getting more reproducible builds but the build system is not exactly great for it.

> What are you expecting them to do, not host non-reproducible builds at all? Yes.

Well you can start your own F-Droid repo only hosting reproducible builds and build them yourself. It is a very large amount of work which is why it's happening so slowly.
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