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Post by fxbl0i »

w1nst0nsm1th wrote: post #97
smsm42 wrote: post #26

Funny how exactly EU follows the path Russia has recently taken. After Russia passed the law that banned online material promoting terrorist content, suicide, drug information and harm to children, and so on, there was an avalanche of false takedown requests and misidentifications, including attempting to block Wikipedia, ban Bhagavad Gita commentary (yes, really) and many more anecdotes that sound funny unless you l…

I think we’re still a long way before we reach the excess of Russia regarding free speech et subordination of democratic values.

The European Court of Human Rights upheld a conviction in 2018 for "disparagement of religious precepts" because a woman in Austria said that Muhammad was a paedophile (which is correct, since according to the Quran, Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old whom he had married when she was 6):

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/its-not-fr...

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Post by Y_Y »

honzzz wrote: post #158
oarsinsync wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spain banned speech critical of the government several years ago, and several people have been jailed already. At least one person has been jailed over a tweet. Europe isn’t one big whole, parts of it are already obviously worse than others.

> Spain banned speech critical of the government Could you please provide some reference? I seriously doubt that what you said is correct.

I live in Spain. The king is a hamster and the government in Madrid smells of elderberries.

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Post by fxbl0i »

gyaniv wrote: post #166
baroffoos wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was very easy to find if you know where to look. If you know the domain for 8chan you could find it in seconds. The massive attempt to hide the video probably made it much easier to find as so many people who saw it saved it expecting it to be gone in the future.

Yes, if you look hard enough, you can find anything. But I think the idea is to make it so that the bad things don't just continue to float around where people not looking for it might see it. Just like terrorist content (how to make bombs/attack infidels and such) still exists, and those looking for it would probably find it, but the governments are trying to make it so that innocent people that have no inclination…

I've been on the Internet my entire life and not even once I've seen something I didn't want or expect to see. It's simply not possible to force people to watch a several minutes long video or read a manifesto with dozens of pages, so I don't understand this sentiment.

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Post by stefek99 »

Reminds me of: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/09/man-charged-...

> The charges allege that Golaszewski was found with copies of 21 Silent Techniques of Killing by Master Hei Long, The Anarchist Cookbook and The Big Book of Mischief on 23 February in Leeds. It is also alleged that he had in his possession the Improvised Munitions Handbook, Murder Inc, The Book by Jack the Rippa, and Minimanual Of The Urban Guerilla, by Carlos Marighella.

The guy is charged with possession of six books, some of these books are likely to be present at archive.org

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pawel-golaszewsk...

> Pawel Golaszewski faces six counts under the Terrorism Act and has been charged with possession of a document or record "containing information of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism".

Six books, six counts.

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Unsure where is this heading. Does anyone think the law can stop technology?

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Post by mcv »

jdietrich wrote: post #14
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #2

It's very sad to see the path the EU has chosen to follow in regards to speech and the free flow of ideas.

It's a path that pre-dates the EU. We're a crowded continent with a huge amount of diversity and a long and bitter history of war. We have learned through bitter experience that, while free speech is a precious right, it is also an extremely dangerous one in the wrong circumstances. Germans in particular are acutely aware of the disastrous consequences of allowing incitement to go unchallenged. Free speech is not unc…

There's indeed always going to be a line somewhere. What's vital though is that whatever censorship you do enact, is limited, proportional, and most importantly, accountable. Allowing rapid action to block harmless content based on false reports seems to fail those criteria.

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Post by vixen99 »

krageon wrote: post #155
akerro wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU population does not feel the EU is their government, therefore they don't vote in the elections, therefore effectively leaving that government to do what it wants.

The EU is a large and diverse place, implying that there is such a thing as an "EU population" and that you can judge them as a group is not a good way to start a cohesive argument.

This is not a judgment nor an implication. It's a widely reported fact that turnout is low. So the 'the EU population' can indeed be characterized in this way.

https://www.politico.eu/interactive/voters-turnout-in-the-eu... I can't get this to work but I gather the figures are not impressive.

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Post by narag »

minikites wrote: post #112
stcredzero wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ability to smear through accusation, without proof, without due process, and without the presumption of innocence has always been the province of tyrants in power and the tool of would-be tyrants trying to gain power. Those who accuse and un-person are the villains throughout history. In the past, people were smeared as sexually loose, as belonging to the "wrong" religion, or as having the "wrong" sexual orientat…

>A free society is one, where people and ideas can show up, be given a chance, and stand or fall on their character and merits. How do you square this with the recent surge in flat Earth and anti-vaccination beliefs? The merits of truth aren't guaranteed to win this battle.

The merits of truth aren't guaranteed to win this battle.

Winning a battle is an unfortunate metaphor for public debate or democracy in general. After all, what we want is to discuss options without violence.

Someone has to win elections, right. But that doesn't make the losing option wrong, just not as popular. There are many options that I consider wrong, or very wrong, that are "winning" right now. I accept that situation, at least while there's no need for me to adopt them. What I find scary is what stcredzero points: that many ideas "win" by despicable means.

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Post by [deleted] »

oska wrote: post #164
honzzz wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spain banned speech critical of the government Could you please provide some reference? I seriously doubt that what you said is correct.

Spain has passed a law banning the “glorification of terrorism” or “humiliating victims of terrorism”. While this is not 'speech critical of the government' the law is vaguely worded and has been broadly interpreted. More detail in this report from Amnesty International: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/Spain-Counter...

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Post by throw2016 »

Given US state linked organizations like Atlantic Council, ThinkProgress, Propornot manned by ex US security services personnel are working with Facebook, Google and other social media websites to 'takedown' dissent on US involvement in Yemen, Syria, Venezuela, black activism against police brutality, general anti-war activism and socialism leaning content it seems the time to be concerned about censorship is passed.

Who can explain these SV 'relationships' with state actors? Anyone who cares about censorship should be extremely concerned about state actors flagging content. Snowden is still in Russia, Assange is virtual imprisoned and Manning is back in prison. Isn't it curious that these basic actions of whistle blowing and dissent are not able to operate freely in the west?

Is it simply as transparent as when other countries take down dissent or imprison activists its censorship and totalitarianism and when we do its 'fake news', 'Russian propaganda' or 'some reason'. It's incredible people can ignore everything and talk of free speech, censorship, and democracy as if none of the above is happening.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by narag »

oska wrote: post #164
honzzz wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spain banned speech critical of the government Could you please provide some reference? I seriously doubt that what you said is correct.

Spain has passed a law banning the “glorification of terrorism” or “humiliating victims of terrorism”. While this is not 'speech critical of the government' the law is vaguely worded and has been broadly interpreted. More detail in this report from Amnesty International: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/Spain-Counter...

I don't know why you're being downvoted. While the GP comment is total BS, what you wrote is simply the facts.

There's nobody in jail for writing anything.

The report is based on facts, but it goes overboard with the conclusions.

Edit: the BS comment is by oarsinsync, so it should be GGP, sorry if that led to confusionl.

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