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Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by Spooky23 »

Tepix wrote: post #89
cm2187 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with free Snowden. But Manning and Assange had a history of leaking unredacted personal information that is indefensible. In the case of Manning, I might add that the leak didn’t show any major wrong doing. It illustrated some case of collateral damage, which we always knew (and the US military keeps public records of). It showed the underbelly of the US diplomacy, which turns out to be rather clean (some amb…

Manning revealed war crimes, yet the only person who went to prison was Manning. That's all we need to know really. The system is broken und unable to fix itself. Edit: Free Reality Winner

That Manning matter is settled. She has immunity and double jeopardy protection. Sitting in jail in protest of a grand jury is a futile gesture that says more about Manning’s need for attention than anything else.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by raxxorrax »

cm2187 wrote: post #63
sschueller wrote: post #44

Free Manning, free Assange and free Snowden. These 3 individuals have shown the world the corruption and criminal activity our governments engage in and no matter how hard they try to silence them, eventually the truth will show through.

I agree with free Snowden. But Manning and Assange had a history of leaking unredacted personal information that is indefensible. In the case of Manning, I might add that the leak didn’t show any major wrong doing. It illustrated some case of collateral damage, which we always knew (and the US military keeps public records of). It showed the underbelly of the US diplomacy, which turns out to be rather clean (some amb…

I think it is far more defensible than illegally collecting this information and making the leak necessary and required in the first place. Since there are no repercussions for the latter, I don't see how you could call it indefensible. Since allegedly nothing happened.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by strainer »

wurst_case wrote: post #58
kzrdude wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the reminder - Manning is currently not free https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/08/chelsea-mann...

Clearly Manning is the most simpathetic of all mistreated 'leakers'. Truly, what does anyone gain by having her locked up?

She has actually just been released from a months stay in solitary confinement to general prison - for refusing to testify against Wikileaks and Assange

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/d3mnjz/chelsea-manning-i...

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by raxxorrax »

jaabe wrote: post #81
sschueller wrote: post #44

Free Manning, free Assange and free Snowden. These 3 individuals have shown the world the corruption and criminal activity our governments engage in and no matter how hard they try to silence them, eventually the truth will show through.

I think we all got caught up in wiki leaks and the seemingly good fight for truth, but to me, their truth looks biased. I mean, you have to wonder why wiki leaks helped Trump win the election and then pretty much stopped their American leaks. Did the American military stop using murder drones? Wouldn’t Trumps taxes or the Mueller report be interesting? Why have all the abundance of White House leaks ended up in tradi…

Pretty much the whole Russia angle was a big pile of crap for democrats to save face.

In my opinion, this hysteria is a big scandal for parts of the media, US institutions and the democratic party.

Not saying that Putin is our friend or that republicans are the better choice in the US (not from there).

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by [deleted] »

belorn wrote: post #144
7e wrote: post #27

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Or from cowardly refusing to face his trial.

On the 20 August 2010 the police got the report and on the same day the duty prosecutor got the information. On 30 August, Assange was questioned by the Stockholm police On 1 September 2010, Överåklagare Marianne Ny decided to resume the preliminary investigation. On 27 September 2010 assange left the country, now a month after he had been at the police. On 18 November 2010, Marianne Ny ordered the detention. Now tha…

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Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by threeseed »

ryanlol wrote: post #159
threeseed wrote: post #133

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> But the reality is he can't leave Of course he can. He can walk out the door right now. He chooses not to leave because he doesn't want to deal with the consequences of what he has done. You may not agree with that but it's an undeniable fact.

I've been to prisons where you can simply walk out of the door, are those not prisons? Yours is the weirdest argument imaginable, he's forced to stay in the embassy or he'll be arrested. That is exactly how essentially all western prisons work, some of them might throw minor obstacles on the way to prevent you from walking out but it's rarely that hard.

If you walk out of a prison you are guaranteed to be arrested, charged, have a lengthier sentence and then placed in a prison where you can’t simple walk out.

Assange is in a diplomatic embassy. He can walk out. He may not even be arrested, detained or extradited. In fact nobody knows what will happen.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by ionised »

King-Aaron wrote: post #132
idlewords wrote: post #127

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Snowden and Assange are not being detained.

The very second Assange walks out of the embassy he will be.

Snowden too. He can't go anywhere outside Russia without the threat of capture and extradition, and Russia is only keeping him 'safe' because it pisses off the USA.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by burgerboy »

matt4077 wrote: post #168
clintonb wrote: post #5

> WikiLeaks cited the unidentified person as saying the planned expulsion is a response to the organization’s recent tweet linking to a website that alleged money laundering and corruption during Ecuadorian President Lenin Moreno’s time as United Nations special envoy for the disabled in Geneva. Foreign Minister Jose Valencia said last month that the government was “very surprised” by that and other actions by Assang…

Not to mention all his trouble started when he raped (allegedly) one of his former hosts, who had also put him up for free and was generally a fan until he violated the house rules on hygiene.

You sheep

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

matt4077 wrote: post #167
A2017U1 wrote: post #162

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You say guest as though he can just walk out the door anytime in the last 7 years. Will his real hosts let him catch a plane to Ecuador? Terrible analogy.

Well, maybe he should not have also offended (in the law and the colloquial sense) his „real“ hosts. It’s almost as if no man is an island, and also Karma.

Or raped someone, for that matter.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by pjc50 »

raxxorrax wrote: post #174
jaabe wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we all got caught up in wiki leaks and the seemingly good fight for truth, but to me, their truth looks biased. I mean, you have to wonder why wiki leaks helped Trump win the election and then pretty much stopped their American leaks. Did the American military stop using murder drones? Wouldn’t Trumps taxes or the Mueller report be interesting? Why have all the abundance of White House leaks ended up in tradi…

Pretty much the whole Russia angle was a big pile of crap for democrats to save face. In my opinion, this hysteria is a big scandal for parts of the media, US institutions and the democratic party. Not saying that Putin is our friend or that republicans are the better choice in the US (not from there).

What about all the actually guilty?

> Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies during their lengthy investigation, which is now complete.

> That group is composed of six former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including five of the six former Trump advisers) have pleaded guilty.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/m...

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