Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've seen this tendency on HN - if this person/entity does something, I suspect it must be bad or selfish. On the subject of HTTPS - do you think the interests of ordinary consumers are in any way served by continuing on HTTP? Countless websites, even those accepting login credentials used to think that it was acceptable to not take the trouble to set up HTTPS. The only thing the operators of these websites cared abo…
> Apparently, the "biggest reason" for the people working at Google pushing this because it was good for Google. I mean, when I do stuff at my job, I also do things that are good for the company that pays me. That's the job, right? The problem is that Google has positioned itself in a way where things that are good for Google might be bad for humanity as a whole.
Firefox to add Tor Browser anti-fingerprinting technique called letterboxing
171–180 of 216 posts
Re: Firefox to add Tor Browser anti-fingerprinting technique called letterboxing
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've seen this tendency on HN - if this person/entity does something, I suspect it must be bad or selfish. On the subject of HTTPS - do you think the interests of ordinary consumers are in any way served by continuing on HTTP? Countless websites, even those accepting login credentials used to think that it was acceptable to not take the trouble to set up HTTPS. The only thing the operators of these websites cared abo…
I think calling it the "biggest reason" is wrong but not necessarily entirely wrong. There's a difference between Google's reasons and your benefit. It could simply mean the interests aligned. I get my credentials encrypted and Google gets more [insert stuff here]. When the interests don't align the result is a bit different. You could be sending tracking/location data every few minutes, adblockers could be crippled,…
Re: Firefox to add Tor Browser anti-fingerprinting technique called letterboxing
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suspect that's the biggest reason Google was so interested in "https everywhere". That removed detailed browsing visibility from a lot of entities, but not Google.
Can you elaborate on that? Are you talking about the https everywhere extension from the EFF, because I wasn't aware Google had a part in that.
Re: Firefox to add Tor Browser anti-fingerprinting technique called letterboxing
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's a good comparison: Android Chrome's user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 6.0.1; SM-G928F Build/MMB29K) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/56.0.2924.87 Mobile Safari/537.36 Versus Android Firefox's user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Android 9; Mobile; rv:66.0) Gecko/66.0 Firefox/66.0 Note how the Chrome browser announces your phone model and software build version to the world. With regional models with car…
It's ironic that in a time when the browser used matters less than ever thanks to good HTML5 standard support and differences lie more in the fringe, most recent corners of the living standard, the user agent strings are more detailed than ever. It would help if the browser vendors, particularly Google, took a step back and spent some time thinking about why user agent strings were invented. They're more like cludges…
I was working for a firm last year that made a system with a browser front end that only supported Chrome and Safari, not Edge or Firefox -- this is happening everywhere, and it is why MS threw in the towel with Edge.
Re: Firefox to add Tor Browser anti-fingerprinting technique called letterboxing
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suspect that's the biggest reason Google was so interested in "https everywhere". That removed detailed browsing visibility from a lot of entities, but not Google.
I've seen this tendency on HN - if this person/entity does something, I suspect it must be bad or selfish. On the subject of HTTPS - do you think the interests of ordinary consumers are in any way served by continuing on HTTP? Countless websites, even those accepting login credentials used to think that it was acceptable to not take the trouble to set up HTTPS. The only thing the operators of these websites cared abo…
Companies tend to do things that advance their competitive advantage.
"slander" - really? For "I suspect", followed by a theory that an online ad company might bandwagon something (otherwise good) that helps them for less than altruistic reasons?
Re: Firefox to add Tor Browser anti-fingerprinting technique called letterboxing
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's ironic that in a time when the browser used matters less than ever thanks to good HTML5 standard support and differences lie more in the fringe, most recent corners of the living standard, the user agent strings are more detailed than ever. It would help if the browser vendors, particularly Google, took a step back and spent some time thinking about why user agent strings were invented. They're more like cludges…
Actually browser compatibility is not getting better, it is getting worse. I was working for a firm last year that made a system with a browser front end that only supported Chrome and Safari, not Edge or Firefox -- this is happening everywhere, and it is why MS threw in the towel with Edge.
Re: Firefox to add Tor Browser anti-fingerprinting technique called letterboxing
#177At this point Firefox should just merge with Tor if they want to market themselves as the pro-privacy browser. Right now I just use Chrome when I'm using my real identity for work and shopping and social media anyway as it's a very good browser and supported everywhere and has an open source version through Chromium. When I need actual privacy, I just use Tor which supports most sites and is way more protective of my…
>May switch to Brave in the future In the futur? Tor tabs are already a feature of Brave, as of today
Re: Firefox to add Tor Browser anti-fingerprinting technique called letterboxing
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
People with that preference usually just turn off javascript.
...and they would still be susceptible to CSS-based fingerprinting.
Its not something I've considered before and i am genuinely curious how this would work.
Re: Firefox to add Tor Browser anti-fingerprinting technique called letterboxing
#179> The general idea is that "letterboxing" will mask the window's real dimensions by keeping the window width and height at multiples of 200px and 100px during the resize operation --generating the same window dimensions for all users-- and then adding a "gray space" at the top, bottom, left, or right of the current page. > The advertising code, which listens to window resize events, then reads the generic dimensions,…
Presumably the implementation is smarter than being defeated by this easy trick, but I too wonder how it works. > Finally, an extra zoom was applied to the viewport in fullscreen and maximized modes to use as much of the screen as possible and minimize the size of the empty margins. In that case, the window had a "letterbox" (margins at top and bottom only) or "pillbox" (margins at left and right only) appearance. wi…
I wouldn't make too many assumptions. Browser vendors have overlooked seemingly "simple" things in the past [1].
Re: Firefox to add Tor Browser anti-fingerprinting technique called letterboxing
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
...and they would still be susceptible to CSS-based fingerprinting.
How? Admittedly my knowledge of CSS is dated, but without scripting enabled you can't set cookies, make auto server request, or even auto set an external CSS file (that could be served and counted).. Its not something I've considered before and i am genuinely curious how this would work.