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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by m45t3r »

ninkendo wrote: post #67
fastball wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Editing the hosts file isn't a solution for internal use in organizations. If it's just you, editing your hosts file, switch to .local or whatever. There was always a chance when using a "local" domain (which isn't actually some sort of standard) that such a TLD could be created in the future. If it's for an organization, create the root cert, and have that be one of the steps users need to take in order to access th…

.local is reserved for multicast DNS/zeroconf, by the standard. You literally can’t use it on macos because it will always try to look it up in with mDNS first, and only fall back on /etc/hosts once that fails. If you use .local for fake DNS for a dev setup, you’ll probably notice lookups are slow; that’s why. (This is why I’ve always used .dev actually, although this may make me switch to .fuckgoogle or something in…

> (This is why I’ve always used .dev actually, although this may make me switch to .fuckgoogle or something instead)

Why not .fuckapple? Really, .local is defined for local address, if Apple is using it in a fucked up way this is an Apple problem.

.dev was never destined for local address, it was just because it wasn't registered in ICANN yet.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by solatic »

pluc wrote: post #12

The .dev TLD worked fine before it was bought. Now we have to use .test or .local. I don't get what Google thinks they'll get out of sponsoring putting sites under development online.

Why do you have to use either one of those?

If you're already running your own internal DNS servers (to serve .dev, .test, etc.) , then just buy a domain for your org for internal use (e.g. "-internal." or "-private.", or if your company is ".com" then purchasing ".net" or similar), split-horizon so that queries from the Internet direct to some CDN-hosted static page saying "nothing to see here, internal use only, if you are an employee please VPN in" and internally you find the actual services.

You never run the danger of your internal domain being unroutable (since you indisputably own it), none of the stuff on subdomains of your internal domain are internet-discoverable (since none of the internal services are exposed externally), you retain the flexibility of eventually making internal services Internet-routable when you get around to building out a BeyondCorp model (if you ever do), and it probably costs a negligible <$10/year in registration fees.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by lucideer »

xiphias2 wrote: post #135

,,.dev lets your clients know what you do before they even open your site.'' I hate the new trend of companies having multiple domains with different TLDs, as I never know this way if it's the same company or not.

I'm in favour of this trend for this very reason. One should never implicitly assume you know it's the company you expect in any case.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by ancarda »

fgkramer wrote: post #160
shereadsthenews wrote: post #104

What will you build on .dev? A site so broken that it still has a horizontal scrollbar no matter how wide the browser window.

Are you on a mac? 99% of times it's because of an external mouse connected. edit: the css for the element that overflows has: `grid-template-columns: 50vw 50vw;` and based on the spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/#viewport-relative-lengths , scrollbars are not taken into account, therefore as long as you have a _forced_ scrollbar, the content WILL overflow regardless of your screen size. By forced I mean a scro…

I see it too (Chrome on Windows 10).

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by ancarda »

LukeShu wrote: post #168
fgkramer wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you on a mac? 99% of times it's because of an external mouse connected. edit: the css for the element that overflows has: `grid-template-columns: 50vw 50vw;` and based on the spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/#viewport-relative-lengths , scrollbars are not taken into account, therefore as long as you have a _forced_ scrollbar, the content WILL overflow regardless of your screen size. By forced I mean a scro…

I see it with Firefox on Arch Linux. No matter the size of the window, the page seems to be a fixed ~16px wider.

For me, if I resize to a narrow window (or zoom to 400%) it'll switch to mobile view and the horizontal scrollbar disappears.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by ioddly »

jasonbarone wrote: post #93

Does anyone know how the “premium” renewal prices are set and governed? I’m going through this right now with .app domains (also owned by Google). Apparently domains categorized as “premium” have a much higher yearly pricing, and how it’s priced is not specified anywhere on the registry website. I called a few registrars and they said that the premium pricing is set by the registry. What’s concerning is that the regi…

I'm unsure how it is determined but when I asked my .app registrar they said it should be $120/year for each renewal, which was less than I paid to register it. Guess I'll find out.

I believe in the original .app launch thread on HN they stated that premium domain pricing was based on machine learning. So...who knows.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by fastball »

ninkendo wrote: post #62
delinka wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you have the technical savvy to be using .dev before the Google deployment, you have the technical savvy to install an additional root cert for use with Chrome.

That is such specious logic it’s kind of sickening. I use TLDs like .dev exactly because it’s convenient. Not because I’m “savvy”, and even if that were true, it doesn’t follow that it would be just as convenient to set up a local CA. Using `echo ip >/etc/resolver/dev` to have a custom dns server for everything in the .dev domain is trivial. It’s one command. Getting a custom CA for all of that is not.

What's sickening is devs pretending their broken workflow is important (or should matter) to anyone else, and then getting fussy when it turns out that no, their non-standardized workflow is, in fact, not a standard.

Using .dev for local development is a bug, not a feature. The only reason it was used is because it wasn't yet a TLD . Not because it had some sort of special status as a "Local TLD".

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by bitL »

sschueller wrote: post #15

How long until Google will start removing domains that don't fit their "values"?

"Our ML predictor calculated with 95% confidence that in the next 3 years your software will become our competitor, damaging our projected profits. We decided to terminate your domain ownership and auctioned it off to PigsDoAds Inc., effectively immediately.

Our ensemble of customer support chatbots wishes you a wonderful day! "

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by cachvico »

shereadsthenews wrote: post #104

What will you build on .dev? A site so broken that it still has a horizontal scrollbar no matter how wide the browser window.

.deveap-hero grid-template-columns needs to be 49vw 50vw

49vw not 50vw, to approximately make room for the vertical scrollbar when it appears.

OK, on with my day ;)

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