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Paris Will Make Public Transportation Free for Kids

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Re: Paris Will Make Public Transportation Free for Kids

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post #82

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When I was in Lille several years ago, you were supposed to buy a ticket but it really wasn't enforced at all. The ticket machines were to the side of the train entry, and there were no turnstiles or anything like that. My first time I got on without even realizing I was supposed to pay.

They didn't have signs to that effect (regarding fares)? Caltrain has the same "honor" system, but conductors often do proof-of-payment checks.

Lille's subway is "driverless".

Re: Paris Will Make Public Transportation Free for Kids

#174

Public transport should be free for everyone, and that is something I'm willing to pay higher taxes for. If it's free more people will use it, which will justify more investment.

What about induced demand?

I agree with the main thrust of what you're saying. But money does serve an important purpose, rationing scarce goods.

Re: Paris Will Make Public Transportation Free for Kids

#175
I find it interesting to contrast this with the situation just over the channel. In the UK, over 65s get free bus passes.

Why has each country come down on different sides of who is deemed most 'deserving'? What's the rationale for targeting one group or the other?

Re: Paris Will Make Public Transportation Free for Kids

#176

I find it interesting to contrast this with the situation just over the channel. In the UK, over 65s get free bus passes. Why has each country come down on different sides of who is deemed most 'deserving'? What's the rationale for targeting one group or the other?

"Paris announces free monthly transport pass for over-65s": https://www.thelocal.fr/20180110/paris-announces-free-monthl...

Re: Paris Will Make Public Transportation Free for Kids

#177

I find it interesting to contrast this with the situation just over the channel. In the UK, over 65s get free bus passes. Why has each country come down on different sides of who is deemed most 'deserving'? What's the rationale for targeting one group or the other?

"Paris announces free monthly transport pass for over-65s": https://www.thelocal.fr/20180110/paris-announces-free-monthl...

Means tested though.

It's mentioned in the article.

Re: Paris Will Make Public Transportation Free for Kids

#178

Public transport should be free for everyone, and that is something I'm willing to pay higher taxes for. If it's free more people will use it, which will justify more investment.

What about induced demand? I agree with the main thrust of what you're saying. But money does serve an important purpose, rationing scarce goods.

It's a fair question. The evidence from Tallinn, Estonia seems useful: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11116-016-9695-5

Re: Paris Will Make Public Transportation Free for Kids

#179
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using subway stations as shelters during off peak hours is a masterstroke of efficient infrastructure. Every city should do that.

nope, the right would be everyone be able to have a place to live. There is no dignity in supporting the poverty.

What if some people don't want a place to live, just somewhere dry to spend the night?

Re: Paris Will Make Public Transportation Free for Kids

#180
post #94

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> the big reason buses always win over rail A bus from where I live to London takes about 5.5 hours, compared to 2 hours on a train. I can also get a meal served on a train and work comfortably at a large table, which I can't do a bus. Busses definitely don't always win over trains. I think they hardly ever do.

That's an extreme example of long distance travel, not normal commuting distance.

Well it's certainly extreme and long distance on a bus! It's fine on a train.
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