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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by Aloha »

SEJeff wrote: post #145
Kye wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Homosexual" is not strictly offensive, but does mark you as potentially holding regressive views. It's easy enough to see from context that you're probably okay, but you can't always count on context. You can just say gay. -- Signed, The Gays

I just assumed it was the PC version, like African American. No offense meant -- Signed, totally a friend of the Gays

To those of us who are, it sounds excessively clinical, most of us dont like thinking of our sexuality in a clinical way. Also the poster is not wrong, talking about homosexuality, is cool and okay, calling someone a homosexual is often a language flag that they may be less than open minded.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by see-dante »

fady wrote: post #153

A+ DDG! I have been using DDG (duck duck go) since Gabriel created it in 2008. It’s been my default search on all my devices. When I need to route searches through Google, I do, as Google is still king at knowing and giving you the exact results you want, whereas DDG, gives you great results, with a different algorithm on the type results plus the added security of what DDG is about. They don’t track you. They don’t…

Out of curiosity, why would Apple's privacy statement on searches be any different than Google's?

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by objclxt »

SEJeff wrote: post #131
taf2 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they or do you just believe that because of what you think you know about the difference between the two companies?

Because Tim Cook, as a homosexual, has teared up when speaking about human rights abuses of homosexual under repressive regimes, and how as the CEO of apple, he will do anything within his power to ensure your data stays safe on apple infra / hw because he personally thinks about it. Can't remember the interview, but it was quite touching actually. He's very clear in shareholder calls / letters and in their privacy p…

> Because Tim Cook, as a homosexual, has teared up when speaking about human rights abuses of homosexual under repressive regimes

...but is also more than happy to meet and shake hands with the leaders of those repressive regimes? Like the UAE, which criminalizes sodomy and deports those who identify as LGBT?

https://www.thenational.ae/uae/government/abu-dhabi-crown-pr...

Is it possible Apple, like Tim Cook, has the occasional double standard?

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by scrooched_moose »

elicash wrote: post #118
godelski wrote: post #117

I have to say I'm pretty upset about this. Not over privacy stuff (I don't trust Apple that much either), but because Apple maps just sucks. Unless things changed within the last 4 months, Apple Maps couldn't accurately navigate me from Custer State Park to Mt. Rushmore (which really isn't far).

Have you previously used OpenStreetMap? I'd be interested in hearing from those who have. I can say as a DDG user that presentation-wise I disliked what DDG was using before -- but from a direction-accuracy perspective I simply have no idea and would love to hear from others.

It's either great or useless, 100% dependent on your location.

Maybe 40% of my city is missing (top-20 in the US) including absolutely everything in my neighborhood other than a couple parks and churches. It gets my address to the correct block (between X and Y Aves) but that's it. Some small towns around me barely exist, others are absolutely complete.

You'll probably do ok in SF/NYC/LA/Chicago etc, but it gets really spotty beyond that.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by sabas_ge »

lukeqsee wrote: post #79
mattlondon wrote: post #38

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+1 I dont see why this was needed - it is a regression in terms of usability and performance (loading performance - cant comment on quality of the maps just yet, but I understand from others that the map data is woeful). Really disappointed. I used to recommend DDG to everyone, but this feels like a sell-out - without any justification for why they've done it, my mind just leaps to conclusions about marketing and try…

I strongly suspect this was not a sell-out. I suspect it was more a move to save a good deal of money. Mapbox is very expensive at DDG-scale, and given how lean and efficient they like to run things, I can easily understand this choice. The fact that Apple also cares (loudly) about privacy makes it even easier. (I don't work for Apple and I run a competitor to Mapbox.)

They could have rolled out their own (privacy-focused) map service. The data is open, the stack is open as well.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by wojcikstefan »

thinkindie wrote: post #170

"pizza in berlin" lacks several options, and I just checked my neighbourhood. This is why I'm still using google maps on my iphone, their search results are far better and more accurate

The results themselves are powered by Yelp (and have been before the map switch). The only difference is that now their location is displayed on Apple Maps, not Mapbox.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by sabas_ge »

scrooched_moose wrote: post #174
elicash wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you previously used OpenStreetMap? I'd be interested in hearing from those who have. I can say as a DDG user that presentation-wise I disliked what DDG was using before -- but from a direction-accuracy perspective I simply have no idea and would love to hear from others.

It's either great or useless, 100% dependent on your location. Maybe 40% of my city is missing (top-20 in the US) including absolutely everything in my neighborhood other than a couple parks and churches. It gets my address to the correct block (between X and Y Aves) but that's it. Some small towns around me barely exist, others are absolutely complete. You'll probably do ok in SF/NYC/LA/Chicago etc, but it gets real…

Link the area, someone will add something if it comes to this thread :)

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by mises »

taf2 wrote: post #110
SEJeff wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and from a purely data privacy angle, Apple is legitimately better than Google.

Are they or do you just believe that because of what you think you know about the difference between the two companies?

It is in the best financial interests of Apple to protect user data. Mr. Cook has a fiduciary responsibility to do so.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by rifung »

ams6110 wrote: post #143
SEJeff wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Tim Cook, as a homosexual, has teared up when speaking about human rights abuses of homosexual under repressive regimes, and how as the CEO of apple, he will do anything within his power to ensure your data stays safe on apple infra / hw because he personally thinks about it. Can't remember the interview, but it was quite touching actually. He's very clear in shareholder calls / letters and in their privacy p…

Homosexuals don't have some special monopoly on honesty, nor are they immune to using emotional string pulling when they try to get you to believe what they are saying. The reply would have been better without the first paragraph. Regardless, Apple do collect lot of personal data. And even if they don't sell it or use it for marketing now, they could still potentially lose control of it, or change their policies down…

> Homosexuals don't have some special monopoly on honesty, nor are they immune to using emotional string pulling when they try to get you to believe what they are saying. The reply would have been better without the first paragraph.

I believe the point was that he was advocating for a cause which doesn't benefit him or directly affect him. I think it's a valid point: it's easy to fight for things that benefit you. It's like you'd be less skeptical if a rich person fights for higher taxes on the rich than when a poor person does.

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