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Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by needle0 »

This (well, actually, I use the simpler Tab Center Redux as I have no need for hierarchical complexity) is the biggest reason I kept using Firefox during its pre-Quantum dark years, still do now, and never once switched to Chrome.

Firefox allows fairly seamless* vertical tab implementations; Chrome does not (IIRC they WONTFIXed the request a long time ago). Vertical tab bars are non-negotiable for me, simple as that.

* Well, as others point out, it's now become slightly less seamless since hiding the horizontal tab bar requires a userChrome.css hack, but after you do that just once it's smooth sailing.

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by WalterGR »

CharlesW wrote: post #131

For folks using Chrome, check out Tabs Outliner if you like This Sort Of Thing™. I can't imagine using Chrome without it. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggk...

Tabs Outliner doesn’t remember the hierarchy of your tabs between browser sessions. Every time you quit and then start Chrome, you end up with a flat list of tabs.

That’s a huge non-starter for me. Not fit for purpose.

I installed Sidewise Tree Style Tabs a few hours ago and it seems solid so far.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sidewise-tree-styl...

Re: Tree Style Tabs

#173

Post by srean »

chii wrote: post #164
srean wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then what happens to the trajectory of clicks that I followed to land on the page that was open in the tab ? Rhetorical question of course. With an open tab I have that information and can go back and forth up the path. Its very useful context to have when I revisit the tab. In my line of work I research many things every day. Firefox open tabs have been a godsend. I literally have 900 to 1200 open at any given t…

The browser ought to remember the history of a tab when saving that tab into a bookmark folder (think VM save state). Photoshop has work flow like this - you can split the undo history into a tree like structure (to a degree, it's not infinite).

+1 indeed

Re: Tree Style Tabs

#174

Post by franga2000 »

gamma-male wrote: post #7

I don’t understand how people browse the web without this extension. That’s the number one reason chrome is not usable for power users. I’m also wondering why this is not natively supported by both firefox and chrome.

What I do is "simply" have a bunch of separate windows open on multiple virtual desktops (and 3 physical monitors). It's effectively the same hierarchy, just with only 2 levels (3 if you count virtual desktops) and I find I generally don't need more than that.

Another thing that helps with tab-hoarding is a clever userCSS hack (from someone on Reddit) that puts my tabs into multiple rows so I can still read their titles, even if I have 20+ in one window.

As for why it's not supported out-of-the-box, to put it a bit harshly, deep hierarchies scare "the normies". I find that more than 2-3 levels of trees are too much to remember for most people (hence the cluttered desktops and "bucket" folders).

Re: Tree Style Tabs

#176

Post by michaelmrose »

jplayer01 wrote: post #66
nneonneo wrote: post #3

I use TST extensively to manage hundreds of tabs, and it is a real joy. FWIW, these are the customizations that made TST much more usable for me: 1) Very importantly, hide the horizontal tab bar. You get some vertical screen space back, and you aren't distracted by two ways of showing the same tabs. You'll have to edit your userChrome.css (see e.g. http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserChrome.css&pri... for d…

I really wouldn't do this. The add-on bugs out for me fairly regularly and doesn't let me interact with the tabs (like closing them). Still, I can't imagine using a browser without vertical tabs ever again.

I'm kind of curious what browser and OS version you and the other user are running.

I'm running Firefox Nightly, which is version 66 at this point with tree style tabs 2.7.9 on auto update on linux 4.19 with intel/nvidia gpu drivers. I've never seen any issues just tree style tabs but note I only have 5 extensions at this point.

I was wondering if it was an issue with a particular platform or interaction between multiple extensions particularly if you are using the pre quantum version.

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by michaelmrose »

darkpuma wrote: post #146
jplayer01 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wouldn't do this. The add-on bugs out for me fairly regularly and doesn't let me interact with the tabs (like closing them). Still, I can't imagine using a browser without vertical tabs ever again.

This happens to me too. TST seems to currently be riddled with all kinds of unusual bugs that only crop up occasionally. Workarounds: Sometimes keyboard shortcuts still work when mouse interaction doesn't. Other times closing then opening the side panel again causes TST to stabilize it's state.

I'm kind of curious what browser and OS version you and the other user are running.

I'm running Firefox Nightly, which is version 66 at this point with tree style tabs 2.7.9 on auto update on linux 4.19 with intel/nvidia gpu drivers. I've never seen any issues just tree style tabs but note I only have 5 extensions at this point.

I was wondering if it was an issue with a particular platform or interaction between multiple extensions particularly if you are using the pre quantum version.

Re: Tree Style Tabs

#178

Post by Vinnl »

pletnes wrote: post #139
sp332 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, this add-on doesn't let you hide the top tab bar.

Which is my main gripe with it. Does TST do that now?

No, extensions cannot do that for now - you have to manually edit your userChrome.css.

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by Vinnl »

nicoburns wrote: post #111
Vinnl wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's part of the philosophy that this particular feature led to users suddenly being without tab bar and basically having a broken browser. Although I do believe they're still weighing that against the benefits of being able to use TST without needing to go through extra hoops. You can still view individual cookies and their values: open the dev tools, then the Storage tab.

The obvious solution would be to have a config preference that the Tree Style Tabs extensions could toggle, but not expose it in the UI...

I should clarify that "users suddenly being without a tab bar" might not necessarily be the result of those users disabling it themselves. It might be that they install an extension like TST that doesn't restore the tab bar after it's removed, or something even less obvious.

Re: Tree Style Tabs

#180

Post by Vinnl »

ekianjo wrote: post #96
Vinnl wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's part of the philosophy that this particular feature led to users suddenly being without tab bar and basically having a broken browser. Although I do believe they're still weighing that against the benefits of being able to use TST without needing to go through extra hoops. You can still view individual cookies and their values: open the dev tools, then the Storage tab.

> feature led to users suddenly being without tab bar and basically having a broken browser That's a stupid reason if thats what they care about. Just make it part of the about:config at least if you are so worried about "dumb users".

I should clarify that "users suddenly being without a tab bar" might not necessarily be the result of those users disabling it themselves. It might be that they install an extension like TST that doesn't restore the tab bar after it's removed, or something even less obvious.
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