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Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Pardon for the somewhat OT post, but the quotes about patent use in the article made me realize once again that I don't get how the patent system works. > [Facebook:] "We’ve often sought patents for technology we never implement, and patents should not be taken as an indication of future plans." > “A lot of patents are filed at the idea stage rather than the actuality stage,” said Ranieri by phone. “A tech company th…

What stops you doing that is the organisation trying to construct a moon base has more money than you so your patents don't apply anymore.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or half empty -- as evidence they were somewhere unfortunate (doing something totally benign and unrelated.)

Why would this be a concern? At worst, you're somewhere unfortunate (doing something benign and unrelated) and someone brings you in for questioning about it. Wouldn't they do that in many cases even if your GPS was off (for example, from seeing you on cameras or other means)? It seems better to be able to bring in as many people as possible to get whatever information is needed to help with whatever situation was un…

It seems you have not at all dealt with ill intentioned law enforcement entities.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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I'm pretty sure Google and other large networks also build 'shadow profiles' on users to figure out who they are, who they're connected to, etc. And I wonder if this shady profiling data should be available for users to download under e.g. GDPR. Because it sounds to me like it should, but isn't.

If any europeans with spare time and no Facebook account are reading this, get a lawyer (maybe related to the EFF, or not), and send a GPDR request. When it comes back “no data”, record yourself signing up for a FB account, since at that point, they’ll list suggested contacts that cover pretty much everyone you know. (Even if this doesn’t work as I predict, it’d document what they’re doing for gpdr compliance.)

Why does that require having a profile on you in particular? They could be saving all the data from everyone else (e.g. their contacts, their search queries, etc.) and dynamically assembling it when you make an account to make you recommendations. They don't have to be doing anything related to you in particular.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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post #168

Pardon for the somewhat OT post, but the quotes about patent use in the article made me realize once again that I don't get how the patent system works. > [Facebook:] "We’ve often sought patents for technology we never implement, and patents should not be taken as an indication of future plans." > “A lot of patents are filed at the idea stage rather than the actuality stage,” said Ranieri by phone. “A tech company th…

Companies do this all the time. Amazon succesfully patented a 1 click buy button, for god's sake.

Though they actually used that one and it worked well. Not to say it wasn't an absurd patent.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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> Friends you May Know is really cool! I've got over 9000 suggestions and not a single accurate one. Maybe they have the best technology and all the data out there, but I'm skeptical they can really use all the data they supposedly have on me. Same goes for any targeted advertisement, not just Facebook. Some come close (based on simple topic preferences), but in all those years I've yet to see any large number of the…

I take it a kind of weird 21st century compliment that my machine learnt ad suggestions are so poor. I think it indicates Google/Facebook don't have that much data for me. Sometimes it's fun game trying to work out how the algorithm possibly thought I would know people from other countries with no mutual friends. > subscribe to Grammarly Oh my god. I considered installing it just to stop the ads, but I see that doesn…

> Oh my god. I considered installing it just to stop the ads, but I see that doesn't help.

I have mixed feelings about Grammarly. It's a perfect example of a thing that should not be an on-line service, but a fully off-line product. In its current form, it's essentially a keylogger.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Pardon for the somewhat OT post, but the quotes about patent use in the article made me realize once again that I don't get how the patent system works. > [Facebook:] "We’ve often sought patents for technology we never implement, and patents should not be taken as an indication of future plans." > “A lot of patents are filed at the idea stage rather than the actuality stage,” said Ranieri by phone. “A tech company th…

You and the person mentioning 1-click are definitely off base on patent understanding.

It's true that you don't have to actually try to do the thing you patent nor that it has to actually work. However, a patent isn't an idea. It's a specific description of HOW to do accomplish something.

So your "general framework for DNA-editing based on cancer therapies" will have to include statements describe the actual process. Sometimes patents have fairly vague statements here, but, those are rarely defensible. More commonly, they balance specificity with generality.

For 1-click have a look at the patent claims https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/claims?CC...

This is not simply saying "oh, we invented the idea of a single click buying experience, nobody else can do it now." It is saying HOW they did (or would do) it and the reason Apple licensed that patent is because they did it the same way.

If someone did it in a way not described in the patent, it wouldn't be covered by the patent even if the outcome was the same. For example, the patent specifically says the server system knows info about the user. Today, you can go to many websites and 2-click order a product using Apple Pay where the server knows nothing about you. If we ignored good security practices, this could be 1 click (just skip the verification pop-up, the rest would work fine.) The patent (if it were still valid, which it is not due to expiration) would not cover this.

Now, one can still always dispute the specificity of a patent. And reading 1-click claims as a software developer, some of it may still feel "obvious," but, the reality is nobody did it before Amazon. So how obvious was it really? They go far enough to describe that the system already knew things about the user, that there was an identifier sent to relate to that info, that a single action of some kind was taken, that the system was displaying info about the product, etc.

So in your cancer therapy example, you would need a similar description of how it would work. Not down to the explicit details, but, enough to set it apart from any other similar method or approach to the same outcome.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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by comparing the accelerometer and gyroscope readings of each phone, the data could identify when people were facing each other or walking together. More evidence we need far more privacy controls in mobile operating systems.

I don't want privacy controls, I want complete control. I'm stoked about the Librem 5 project, and I hope it succeeds enough to not disappear in a couple years. I just bought a phone, but I'll likely buy the next rev if the first one works out. I don't need much from my phone, and as long as I can make/receive calls/texts, browse the web, and can get consistent security patches from the community (e.g. some Linux dis…

> You can still preorder the phone today at the reduced early adopter pricing of $599.

Whoa!

LineageOS on a used android phone might be the better solution here.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Clickbait headline. The closest they get to it is

>One filed in 2015 describes a technique that would connect two people through the camera metadata associated with the photos they uploaded. It might assume two people knew each other if the images they uploaded looked like they were titled in the same series of photos—IMG_4605739.jpg and IMG_4605742, for example—or if lens scratches or dust were detectable in the same spots on the photos, revealing the photos were taken by the same camera.

ie facebook mentioned the concept of tracking you by the dust on your lens. No evidence that they can actually do it.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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by comparing the accelerometer and gyroscope readings of each phone, the data could identify when people were facing each other or walking together. More evidence we need far more privacy controls in mobile operating systems.

I've always been floored that people leave their location services turned on by default. I have mine on for no more than a few minutes a month. I only turn it on when I'm in an unfamiliar location, don't have my bearings, and looking at the map alone isn't enough to help without GPS.

Not only that. The app for route planning with public transportation in my town. Thanks to GDPR I have learned that they are sharing data with 500 trusted partners!

And most of the time you do not need to give the app permission to use the location to do route planning even in unfamiliar neighborhood. You can just input street name or public transport stops have logical unique identifiers.

But of course most people do give permission at some point because it is easier to do so and the app i nagging constantly for the permission.

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