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Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by barbecue_sauce » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 11:05 PM UTC

Nimitz14 wrote: post #159

mawburn wrote: post #147

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I feel like you should spend some time with Go. If I were building a startup, I would probably choose Go for core infra for being able to move quickly as a developer and write incredibly performant code with about as much mental overhead as most dynamically typed languages. Anecdotally, I've seen it replace Java in quite a few small and medium sized established companies.

> I would probably choose Go for core infra for being able to move quickly as a developer At the company I used to work at it took nearly a 1000 lines to replace an 80 line bash script. So I can't help but laugh at this statement.

I've helped port some bash-based CLI tools to Go. The amount of code produced was pretty similar, just some overhead for typing and adapting some of the `awk` and `sed` functionality to be self-contained in the program. What kind of stuff was this 80 line bash script doing that resulted in over 12.5 times more code?

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by lowercased » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 11:05 PM UTC

kcon wrote: post #139

It seems strange to me to compare VSCode against PyCharm, IntelliJ, and Android Studio separately. While PyCharm, IntelliJ, and Android Studio are distinct applications, I believe they share much of their code, UI, 3rd party plugins, and workflows for all being JetBrains language-flavored IDEs. On the other hand, VSCode supports different languages through its extensions instead of having separate language-flavored a…

I didn't see any js or php specific stuff in their list, but have to assume phpstorm or webstorm might be in their 'other' category as well, pushing JB up to closer to 25%(?)

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by satysin » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 11:09 PM UTC

I have tried VSCode a few times for C++ on macOS and always found it more hassle than it was worth to get it up and running.

I saw it had debugging options and I thought that looked pretty cool but it is a bit of a mess with tasks.json and some other file I have forgotten about now. I recall I did finally get a working setup but it wasn't portable between folders/projects as the binary filenames were hardcoded and I just lost interest in fixing it.

I think the VSCode team could make this a lot smoother. I want my tools to simplify these things for me with automatic configuration like every other editor seems to be able to do. Not sure why VSCode needed a couple of json config files to know to use /usr/bin/gcc on the current C++ file when no other programmers editor does.

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by jamestimmins » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 11:15 PM UTC

bryal wrote: post #142

jamestimmins wrote: post #86

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My job involves interviewing many engineering candidates, and I see the issue with typing all the time. A competent Java dev is at a disadvantage compared to a competent Python dev, simply because it's statically typed and more verbose, meaning there are more lines of code which means more small problems that can arise. That matters greatly in a short, time-boxed context.

> A competent Java dev is at a disadvantage compared to a competent Python dev, simply because it's statically typed and more verbose I don't think that the fact that it's statically typed is the problem. For example, I don't believe a competent Rust, Go, or Haskell dev would be at a disadvantage due to static typing, but rather the opposite.

In my experience, static typing, in general, puts you at a disadvantage. It obviously varies between companies, but in scenarios like HackerRank where you have a fixed amount of time and either pass/no pass, dealing with types can be a real obstacle.

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by zbuttram » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 11:19 PM UTC

jhall1468 wrote: post #153

AsyncAwait wrote: post #144

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> It's a good text editor, first and foremost. Compared to netbeans, eclipse, visual studio, even intellj idea Have to disagree with VSC being better than Intellij. I find Intellij refactoring, debugging and autocomplete far ahead of VSC, especially when it comes to supporting leaser known features, or recently released language changes.

VSC and Intellij aren't the same thing. If you want better refactoring and debugging there are definitely plugins that do exactly that. Hard disagree on autocomplete, I've never run into a single situation where Intellij did it better.

I tend to agree except for languages where the plugin ecosystem on VSC is still lacking. Ruby, for example. RubyMine is still much nicer by comparison, especially when working with Rails.

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by me_love_animes » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 11:19 PM UTC

the best i've interviewed use asciifuk ( http://www.github.com/asciifuk )

here's a sample

8===D~~ :-)

(me) -> (you)

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by glenrivard » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 11:20 PM UTC

Apocryphon wrote: post #169

johngalt wrote: post #130

> Engineers who use Go are also especially strong. If you know why, please let me know. Because there is almost no reason to learn Go. Most shops want JS/Java/Python/C# etc... The primary reason to learn a language like Go is because you want to for it's own sake. It's not that you must learn Go in order to be good, or that knowing Go makes you better. Rather it's difficult to be bad and still have the desire/interes…

Does this hold true for Dart, one wonders.

Suspect with Flutter we will see Dart gain some traction. Personally I like Dart and easy to pick up.

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by Waterluvian » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 11:20 PM UTC

mawburn wrote: post #147

mrdoops wrote: post #137

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Go is a language designed to take CS college graduates to productive engineers at Google with as little fuss as possible. Considering it was designed for an organization in the scope of Google, it's less likely to be the best option for something like a startup, small business, or even a medium size business.

I feel like you should spend some time with Go. If I were building a startup, I would probably choose Go for core infra for being able to move quickly as a developer and write incredibly performant code with about as much mental overhead as most dynamically typed languages. Anecdotally, I've seen it replace Java in quite a few small and medium sized established companies.

I feel like Python is your pepperoni pizza can't go wrong option for almost anything.

Go feels similar but younger. I love languages with big standard libraries. Just need their package management story to settle down for a while.

There's something wonderful about a language being so popular and around for so long that there's plenty of resources and answers on just about anything. I think that's a core part of what I'm missing from Go.

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by meowface » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 11:26 PM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #178

mawburn wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you should spend some time with Go. If I were building a startup, I would probably choose Go for core infra for being able to move quickly as a developer and write incredibly performant code with about as much mental overhead as most dynamically typed languages. Anecdotally, I've seen it replace Java in quite a few small and medium sized established companies.

I feel like Python is your pepperoni pizza can't go wrong option for almost anything. Go feels similar but younger. I love languages with big standard libraries. Just need their package management story to settle down for a while. There's something wonderful about a language being so popular and around for so long that there's plenty of resources and answers on just about anything. I think that's a core part of what…

If Go adds generics and a smoother method of doing error handling, I could see it eventually taking Python's place. It already is doing so to an extent, but with those features plus everything else it can do better than Python, it'd be tough to beat. 95% of my programming is in Python, and I honestly don't really enjoy coding in Go that much, but with those changes I could see myself switching.

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 11:28 PM UTC

me_love_animes wrote: post #176

the best i've interviewed use asciifuk ( http://www.github.com/asciifuk ) here's a sample 8===D~~ :-) (me) -> (you)

If I ever interview with a company that would potentially reject me due to coding style, I really hope they do. That's not a place I would enjoy. Not that I am against a common style, I just think it's an extremely petty thing to reject a candidate for.