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Leaked Google briefing, admitting a “shift towards censorship”

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Re: Leaked Google briefing, admitting a “shift towards censorship”

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People universally believe they are better than their historical counterparts, that they will succeed where history has failed, that this time it will be different . When really all they're doing is carving another notch on fascism's belt.

And the supremely ironic thing in this case is they are calling us the fascists while silencing us with a straight face.

It's too bad we're not in a bar. I could talk about this all night, and I've been thinking about it a lot.

Re: Leaked Google briefing, admitting a “shift towards censorship”

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On a platform that caters to everyone and does not have age restrictions, you would have to sell alcohol to everyone and a subset of everyone is indeed children

That is the case for parents monitoring the internet usage of their young children, not the case for censoring the internet.

That is a position.

This document is showing the hole in that position -- an outright attack (elsagate) aimed at children. A cursory inspection by the parent sees the child watching a harmless Peppa the Pig video, while in fact she's watching snuff.

This is a problem that Google has to address somehow (because that is what is demanded of them), while not censoring things aimed to adults. That's why the conclusion is a call for consistency and openness.

Re: Leaked Google briefing, admitting a “shift towards censorship”

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>How about coarse comments like telling someone to "kill themselves. I think a few conservatives were directly told to do just that due to the SCOTUS appointment furore --have there been significant calls to censor those opinions? It's like everyone is for Censorship unless they are the targets of Censorship. And in this case they are not calling out their own lot very vehemently.

I don't know, you might want to talk with the woman who was arrested for laughing at Jeff Sessions a short while ago.

That person has a long list of prior arrests for disturbances [that shows a pattern] The case was also dropped.

That said, though I don’t like Dick Cheney, when thd Katrina protester told him to eff off, he took it on the chin like a proper guy.

Re: Leaked Google briefing, admitting a “shift towards censorship”

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> Kids' click patterns reward more video themes like "Elsa tied up on train tracks kissing Spiderman", so the content industry crams more of that stuff into its new content. To be fair many of the Tex Avery and Tom and Jerry cartoons with which almost everyone grew up with were a lot more wild than that, thankfully they weren’t censored back when we were kids.

How were Tom and Jerry cartoons "wild"? Genuinely curious.

Itchy and Scratchy?

Re: Leaked Google briefing, admitting a “shift towards censorship”

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You can say that, but from the beginning, governments have put limits to speech based on "harm" from speech. Slander, libel, threats are all illegal due to the contention they cause harm. Taking no side is also similar to this, taking no side in a conflict as long as they are civil requires one to decide what is "civil" in the first place. Are comments about race considered "threats" if one person is of the race targ…

Slander and libel are not illegal, as far as I am aware.

Perhaps the right word was "unlawful." Alas, IANAL.

Re: Leaked Google briefing, admitting a “shift towards censorship”

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Slide 66 is particularly interesting, and articulates an observation that I've made: > Tech firms are performing a balancing act between two incompatible positions > 100% commit to the American tradition that prioritises free speech for democracy, not civility > 100% commit to the European tradition that favors dignity over liberty, and civility over freedom It is a very American view that unrestricted freedom of spe…

> It is a very American view that unrestricted freedom of speech is a requirement for a well-functioning democracy

It is similarly a very American view that unrestricted freedom of speech is a requirement for a well-functioning internet (well, not completely "unrestricted", but we're not here to argue nuance). Avoiding the obvious debate on which is better, the problem of choice exists in a global medium. Lest it become balkanized, you will have to choose an approach both as a company and as a set of laws. Wrt laws, restrictions are added much more often than they are removed so we should probably err on the side of fewer/limited-scope restrictions. I think most would prefer the greatest common factor of freedoms vs the lowest common denominator of restrictions.

Re: Leaked Google briefing, admitting a “shift towards censorship”

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I think that’s the point. Arab spring, the chance of positive change around the world because of it, pre Snowden(!). It’s not that things weren’t awful then just people didn’t know what was going on or how things would turn out, so we were all upbeat about the internet.

I disagree. People know how awful their lives are by their well being. The internet offered people the ability to organize and topple their corrupt government, but that doesn't mean that the new people in charge are going to be better.

Definitely. The awfulness that I implied was meant to be mass surveillance. That people could organize and resist was great, needs to be way more of that, not less.

Still, that moment has passed so people aren’t positive about our connectedness in the same way cause it doesn’t seem to be causing any progressive/democratic changes.

Re: Leaked Google briefing, admitting a “shift towards censorship”

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It's interesting that this document calls Arab Spring "the high point in positivity" of the internet. From what I understand, most countries are even worse off now. Libya in particular is still stuck in civil war to this day.

The Arab Spring was about standing up to the oppressive regimes. This might be why they referred to as "the high point in positivity". But as you noted, this in turn created a massive power vacuum followed by seemingly endless chaos and instability in the region. However, most people are ignorant of it because it's seldom discussed in the media. Why it's not discussed in the media then becomes a political debate.

Re: Leaked Google briefing, admitting a “shift towards censorship”

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I can understand why Google, as an engine, should err towards neutrality of information, without arbitrating even hideous content. But I've never really understand why social networks can't, or shouldn't, say "This is the type of community we are, and what content we find acceptable."

Because Facebook, unlike say a subreddit, is not a a community formed around a certain topic. There is no 'we' in particular.

Isn’t the “we” whoever developed and hosts the service?

The idea that you can only limit a community if it’s dedicated to a specific topic is non-sensical.

Re: Leaked Google briefing, admitting a “shift towards censorship”

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post #173

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I don't know, you might want to talk with the woman who was arrested for laughing at Jeff Sessions a short while ago.

That person has a long list of prior arrests for disturbances [that shows a pattern] The case was also dropped. That said, though I don’t like Dick Cheney, when thd Katrina protester told him to eff off, he took it on the chin like a proper guy.

Ah, so you're saying as long as we deem someone socially unfit that therefore it's OK for the government to censor them.
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