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Didn't stop Ted Cruz from running, did it?
He fits the legal definition of natural born citizen.
are IVF children disqualified? Legal citation on the natural born question, please.
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#172The sad piece of karma in all of this is that Musk tweeted in an effort to destroy the shorts. His tweet turned out to: - give the shorts a big dip in his stock, - an investigation by the SEC - an investigation by the DOJ - the backing off of a deep pocketed investor in the Saudis - Him potentially being personally liable, which would mean having to step away from SpaceX and Tesla if he was found guilty of fraud. Thi…
Please define shorts. Google was unable to figure it out.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ted Cruz was born in Canada. The naturalization requirement is a lot looser than you might think.
Requirements for the Presedent are diffrent than that of a Senator. Place of birth does not matter for the House or Senate. Only need to be a US citizen. For the President it's a "higher standard" you must be a native born Citizen.
"Natural born" citizen.
Which isn't 100% defined and legal scholars can and do argue the edge cases based on lots of things including very old British common law antecedents. The consensus seems to equal citizen from birth although some disagree.
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As sad as this makes me (because I want Tesla to be wildly successful), I have to agree. This is textbook and brazen stock manipulation, a flat out crime.
I guess I'm a bit off-topic but sometimes I really fail to understand the USA culture. You can make the most outrageous and racist comments because of "freedom of expression" but making speculators lose their shit with a couple of tweets is a "textbook crime" for which you should "go to jail".
The first amendment guarantees freedom of speech, but it has always had limits applied. Fraud is not considered a valid exercise of free speech.
Re: Tesla Faces U.S. Criminal Probe Over Musk Statements
#175The sad piece of karma in all of this is that Musk tweeted in an effort to destroy the shorts. His tweet turned out to: - give the shorts a big dip in his stock, - an investigation by the SEC - an investigation by the DOJ - the backing off of a deep pocketed investor in the Saudis - Him potentially being personally liable, which would mean having to step away from SpaceX and Tesla if he was found guilty of fraud. Thi…
One of the episodes on the Netflix documentary Dirty Money is about short sellers with regards to certain pharma stocks (the one click baiting with Skreli in the thumbnail but not in the story, otherwise it is a great watch). And one thing that struck about me about the short seller they interviewed was her analytical and systematic approach to it. What she was looking for was yet to be recognized flaws in a certain company that can only result in falling stocks in the long run. And than acting on them in concert with others.
A mean thing to do? Maybe. Or you could call it natural selection in some cases.
Going back to Tesla and Musk, I think his behaviour in the last couple of weeks, and all the information that surfaced since, probably just convinced every short seller out there that they are onto something.
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#176I'm starting to get conspiratorially minded about all of this. It began when I couldn't understand the seeming coordination of the attacks against the Uber CEO. I mean, he seemed like the same kind of garden variety psychopath I expect in the role of CEO - why were there so many hit pieces about him specifically? Now Musk is a new target and somehow everyone is cheering for him to fail.
Seems like if you get into competition with the auto industry or threaten the oil industry by attempting to change consumer behavior then you become a massive target. I actually feel like forces other than public opinion are at work here.
Re: Tesla Faces U.S. Criminal Probe Over Musk Statements
#177The sad piece of karma in all of this is that Musk tweeted in an effort to destroy the shorts. His tweet turned out to: - give the shorts a big dip in his stock, - an investigation by the SEC - an investigation by the DOJ - the backing off of a deep pocketed investor in the Saudis - Him potentially being personally liable, which would mean having to step away from SpaceX and Tesla if he was found guilty of fraud. Thi…
It would be a (possibly huge) blow to our future as a planet if he were banned from being an executive of a company for even just 2 years. I hope for humanity's sake that it doesn't come to that.
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Do you want one of the most successful founders and tech CEO ever to continue to run the company? Äh, yes, Elon has made Tesla successful and he made it into a major car company that is still growth strongly.
How do you define "successful?" If Elon is doing things that are illegal or otherwise just boneheaded now, how much leeway does he get? What would it take to make you decide he shouldn't be CEO?
How I define successful. Well, how about go back 10 years and look at the size of Tesla and SpaceX. And then look at them now.
I dont think anybody can argue that he was not succcessful.
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Ted Cruz was born in Canada. The naturalization requirement is a lot looser than you might think.
He was born a US citizen though. The requirement isn't that you are born on US soil, but that you are born a US citizen. John McCain was born in Panama.
McCain is distinguishable from Cruz' case though. He was born on a Naval Air Base in a US territory (the Canal Zone) which is legally a lot closer to US soil than Canada is--and some of the old common law precedents specifically address cases like this.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ted Cruz was born in Canada. The naturalization requirement is a lot looser than you might think.
Requirements for the Presedent are diffrent than that of a Senator. Place of birth does not matter for the House or Senate. Only need to be a US citizen. For the President it's a "higher standard" you must be a native born Citizen.
Ted Cruz was a candidate for U.S. President two years ago.