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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by ElBarto »

omnimus wrote: post #96
ElBarto wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Individual countries cannot "interpret the directive as they see fit". Transposition has to match the directive, otherwise the whole excercise would be pointless.

Not true. Many of the directives differ in countries (even major ones - for example countries in EU that don't use Euro). EU wants people to believe it is USA but it is not. The directives are not enforceable directly but if you want to be good EU country (which has its benefits) then you need to behave :)

Directives have to be transposed but, again, transposition has to match the contents of the directive otherwise there is no point.

It is possible to lodge a complaint with the Commission if transposition is deemed inadequate (and I'm sure copyright holders would do exactly that), and the Commission may bring a case against the country before the ECJ.

See: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-making-process/applying-eu...

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Post by candiodari »

erk__ wrote: post #72
tehbeard wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google probably has the cash lying around to make its own news empire if needed. More likely? They drop anyone who doesn't give them a free or very generous rate.

That would then be misuse of a monopoly.

That's funny. In a minute you'll be saying that one will be enforced in Europe. I mean perhaps they're racist enough to enforce it against Google, but they won't prevent monopolies.

(Europe, where near everything is mono/oligopolized and the behavior of those companies is abhorrent. From beer in Belgium (they own the cafes or loan them money and force out competing beers from the menu), to cheese in France (import and health regulations mean almost no non-French cheese and French producers are exempt from even most of those health regulations). To German cars (read how Dieselgate played out in Germany, ie. German manufacturers got exempted from ... car regulations ... not even joking ... or what keeps happening to startup car manufacturers in Germany and France, ...)

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by beaconstudios »

pjc50 wrote: post #148
beaconstudios wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So you can blame UKIP for lots of things Such as what? I hear UKIP demonised a lot, but I genuinely don't know of anything they've done that is bad that wasn't simply political disagreement (wanting to leave the EU) or talking about contentious issues in a clumsy and ham-fisted way (immigration).

Sufficient stupidity applied to contentious issues is a disaster. That's how we get measles outbreaks. Failing to present a coherent, workable programme for how we'd leave the EU and at what cost is leading us to a situation where the government is doing civil contingency planning as if we were going to be hit by a hurricane rather than a self-inflicted disastrous choice.

I'm in complete agreement, but I don't think the desire to leave is particularly contentious if it's backed by reasonable arguments (and Farage was always very keen on talking about why he didn't like the EU). The real problem comes in when we get to the point of "OK, we want to leave the EU" but immediately trigger the process without planning a strategy first. Especially with reluctant and un-aligned (May was a remainer) leadership in place.

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by sebst »

vorpalhex wrote: post #149
yummybear wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't Silicon Valley be affected by this? Most companies have european customers.

"If you are in the EU, you are not allowed to use this website." Pretty much the same solution for kids under 13 years of age (which is to say, they of course still do use these sites, they simply lie about it which shifts the burden...)

Yes, I guess this type of behaviour is why they have called it "inter"net in the first place.

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Post by Scarblac »

lorenzobr wrote: post #108
village-idiot wrote: post #84

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I think the newspapers forgot that Google doesn’t need them .

Exactly and tbh Google could just buy a newspaper and not give a shit about it. Many newspapers are rubbish and publish rubbish content anyway so that's the problem, not the copyright.

On the other hand, newspapers were a lot less rubbish two decades ago when they could still afford to employ many journalists. That is what they're trying to get back to with legislation like this.

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Post by kgwgk »

isthatart wrote: post #140
kgwgk wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of effect do you think that these laws could have on your use of arXiv?

Example: article in arXiv gets later published in a journal. Will the arXiv article version be still available for anybody? Only for non-EU people? Will be removed from arXiv? None of these?

How does this law change anything? Are you distributing now via arXiv preprints despite not being legally allowed to do so?

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Post by ericdykstra »

lorenzobr wrote: post #146
beaconstudios wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So you can blame UKIP for lots of things Such as what? I hear UKIP demonised a lot, but I genuinely don't know of anything they've done that is bad that wasn't simply political disagreement (wanting to leave the EU) or talking about contentious issues in a clumsy and ham-fisted way (immigration).

For a starter, "wanting to leave the EU" without having a clue of how to do it or proposing practical solutions is not the finest thing to do. And also the entire immigration discussion was some bs considered the non-EU migration is been higher than EU one for decades https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

I disagree, I think it's perfectly fine to want to leave the EU on principle. For example, the principle of not wanted to be ruled by unelected oligarchs who can pass laws like Article 13 which affect UK citizens.

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Post by isthatart »

kgwgk wrote: post #115
isthatart wrote: post #80

As a EU researcher, reader and author, I ask: does this reform affect my use of arXiv or say figshare? Until now I don't have a clear answer.

What kind of effect do you think that these laws could have on your use of arXiv?

Two more examples examples for arXiv and one for Figshare. (1) Article in journal has a flaw. For some reason the journal is slow or unhelpful concerning a correct version, so the author posts on arXiv a revised and perhaps much bigger version. Filters (will these be on arXiv?) detect a copyright infringement. (2) I translate an Euler article and post it on arXiv (with all attributions). Or an English translation of an obscure German or Russian article by a great mathematician. (3) I post on Figshare (and GitHub?) the meat of a published article (like data, procedures, results of experiments, programs) in order to make the research Open Science. I explain the context but maybe I don't pass the automated filter which detects a copyright infringement. For all examples, same questions as before.

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by TulliusCicero »

sebst wrote: post #168

This is a decision that will end up benefitting the big players on both sides, i.e. regulatory capture. Google, Facebook and the like already employ filtering and copyright techniques and they can afford it. So, this law lifts the barrier to entry for smaller internet companies. On the other side, it's also beneficial almost exclusively for the larger publications or copyright holders as the collected amount of licen…

Regulatory capture implies Google and Facebook were in favor of this and made it happen, which I doubt is true.
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