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OpenAI Five at Dota 2 – The International [video]

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Re: OpenAI Five at Dota 2 – The International [video]

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There are a lot of areas that OpenAI needs to improve on. the bots generally; 1. terrible at warding and dewarding 2. are terrible at using spell spam to farm. while their aoe spell usage is great in team fights, they suck at using spells to farm when they are alone. Gyro used his ult to farm a normal sized lane and still missed half the creeps. 3. don't understand bouncing spells like the lich nuke. In fact many tim…

That's what you would tell human players, yes. That's what a trainer would tell you after looking at your gameplay. That's what you would then try to improve. BUT!! This is AI, so what OpenAI needs to improve on, if anything, may be the ability to tell this stuff directly to the AI so it could skip hours of play. Also, maybe our view is too limited and the AI actually learns even better strategies from competitive se…

> Also, maybe our view is too limited and the AI actually learns even better strategies from competitive self-play. Strategies our human way of improving would miss.

This is generally a good point, but in this specific case we can see that no such strategies showed up. The bots did terrible, obviously bad things (like stacking wards in bad places on top of each other or having a weak support hero take the aegis). More importantly, they didn't win.

Re: OpenAI Five at Dota 2 – The International [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you know that, how? Have you seen them fight against other region teams that failed to qualify?

Maybe, like me, he follows the pro scene. People complain a lot that Europe is stacked (meaning stronger teams) compared to regions like NA, and they get the same amount of slots a TI. South America is probably the weakest region. I think a lot of people following the competitive scene would agree with what he was saying - that Pain is not top 20 in the world.

I follow the pro scene too, nobody sensible would say they are not top 20, can you name a team that deserved to be in TI other than pain here from any region?

> People complain a lot that Europe is stacked (meaning stronger teams) compared to regions like NA

Really? Go ahead and name an EU team that is not playing in TI that should be here. EU is top heavy and they get to TI easily, other than that not much. SA is weaker region for sure, that's why they have 1 team from their region and they deserve to be there.

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