Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia

Post by veidr » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 7:10 AM UTC

jackson1way wrote: post #162

veidr wrote: post #110

This is a fundamental problem with the single DRM-enforced app store model that Apple innovated, and which has been widely copied and lauded. Once you implement that, you have to toady up to whatever governments exist, including oppressive/murderous regimes, to be in their markets. If your ecosystem is just console video games, say, it's not that big of a deal; you have to either censor some games or don't enter cert…

> mass murder of gay people (Russia) any source on that? I have never heard about any murdering of gay people in russia. Clearly, Russia is rather hostile to gay people. But "mass murder" requires a proper source. Or you you are walking on the Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction path.

Post by nicky0 » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 7:14 AM UTC

Ataraxy wrote: post #73

jonknee wrote: post #11

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Installing apps outside an app store also introduces other risks, it's not exactly one better than the other. Personally I'd love to sideload apps, but seeing how big of a mess that was on desktops leads me to believe most users are better served by a gatekeeper.

> most users are better served by a gatekeeper If you believe that's the case the bigger problem is the lack of education that leads to some people who are incapable of understanding the risks associated with doing so and not that they have access to do so.

Post by codedokode » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 7:20 AM UTC

eridius wrote: post #141

zapita wrote: post #83

Presumably Telegram doesn't know for sure why Apple is blocking updates... They are most likely getting stonewalled, with Apple not responding to any of their requests for information. Telegram suspects that Apple is trying to appease Russian censors while keeping a low profile and plausible deniability. Perhaps Apple is buying time and showing goodwill to Russia while they negotiate a deal - who knows? Acting on the…

Your assumptions are probably wrong. Most likely Telegram does know why they're being blocked, they just aren't saying because they want people to assume malfeasance on Apple's part and they're hoping bad PR will convince Apple to approve whatever it is that they're currently rejecting.

Post by csomar » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 7:46 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

This is presently an accusation by Telegram, nothing more. Sample of reasons why Apple may be doing whatever they are doing: 1) Telegram is prevalently used by Syrian fighters [1]. (Why they chose Telegram over Signal beats me.) As the Syrian conflict winds down, these fighters are returning home. That creates a security imperative for many governments, including in the EU. 2) Telegram recently ran an ICO that, at th…

Post by csomar » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 7:49 AM UTC

readams wrote: post #102

verroq wrote: post #86

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Telegram isn't E2E encrypted by default. You need to choose an "encrypted" chat. They have been criticised over this for many years now.

Yes I would think intelligence agencies should prefer Telegram over other encrypted chat providers since there's at least this possibility of leaking.