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Re: Chinese Government Fabricates Social Media Posts for Strategic Distraction

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Post by dang » Sat, May 19, 2018, 5:36 PM UTC

Lionsion wrote: post #127

jonathanyc wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that he has still refused to respond to any of my points (for example, that most of us can juggle multiple issues in our head at the same time) and instead is now resorting to personal attacks and avoiding anything of substance by claiming that he is "frustrated," which is the exact same tactic he used last time. I aim to leave my comments on this thread intact for the record, and I'm archiving this in case it p…

> What sort of bizarre hedging is saying that people are just acting "perhaps like" paid Chinese trolls? You need to re-read my comment, especially the sentence after the one you partially quoted. What I was getting at was that someone who inadvertently behaves like a propagandist should re-evaluate their behavior and modify it, because it's destructive (if it wasn't destructive, why would the propagandist do it?). F…

We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Nationalistic flamewar and personal attacks are not allowed here. Please don't create accounts to do this with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

In case anyone is wondering: no, this is not because of your views. I don't know what they are and it doesn't matter, just as a fireman doesn't care what color a fire is.

Re: Chinese Government Fabricates Social Media Posts for Strategic Distraction

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Post by ngold » Sun, May 20, 2018, 8:21 AM UTC

Sangermaine wrote: post #67

Lionsion wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it, since that's not at all what the paper describes. Here's a quote from the abstract: > In contrast to prior claims, we show that the Chinese regime's strategy is to avoid arguing with skeptics of the party and the government, and to not even discuss controversial issues. We show that the goal of this massive secretive operation is instead to distract the public and change the subject, as most of the these…

Don Draper: "If you don't like what's being said, change the conversation."

It's toasted.

Re: Chinese Government Fabricates Social Media Posts for Strategic Distraction

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Post by Lionsion » Sun, May 20, 2018, 10:53 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #171

Lionsion wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What sort of bizarre hedging is saying that people are just acting "perhaps like" paid Chinese trolls? You need to re-read my comment, especially the sentence after the one you partially quoted. What I was getting at was that someone who inadvertently behaves like a propagandist should re-evaluate their behavior and modify it, because it's destructive (if it wasn't destructive, why would the propagandist do it?). F…

We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Nationalistic flamewar and personal attacks are not allowed here. Please don't create accounts to do this with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html In case anyone is wondering: no, this is not because of your views. I don't know what they are and it doesn't matter, just as a fireman doesn't care what color a fire is.

Sorry. I did not think I was engaging in any personal attacks or "nationalistic flame-war," rather just responding to someone who:

1. Followed me, personally, from another thread because they seemed to believe they were entitled a response to some off-topic "points."

2. Made baseless accusations against me, such as accusing me of being an "agent provocateur," a Russian or Chinese troll, and someone who was engaging in the "political abuse of psychology."

I think Jonathanyc's behavior was far more characteristic of a "personal attack." You're the mod and can ban and unban who you like, but I do hope there's at least some consistency.

Re: Chinese Government Fabricates Social Media Posts for Strategic Distraction

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Post by Lionsion » Sun, May 20, 2018, 10:59 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #170

Lionsion wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The thing is there's this strange, "uncanny" feeling I get whenever these things are shared too I posted this because I got super frustrated with all the derails and distractions that utterly destroyed the Xinjiang indoctrination camp post from yesterday. If you don't believe me you can look at my comment history.

Your comment history is extremely problematic for Hacker News, because you've been using it to engage in nationalistic flamewar. I don't care what your views are or which nations you have feelings about: doing this is as toxic as it gets. Edit: actually you went so far over the line that we banned the account. No one is allowed to turn HN into nationalistic hell, regardless of which nation they're fighting for. https…

> Your comment history is extremely problematic for Hacker News, because you've been using it to engage in nationalistic flamewar. I don't care what your views are or which nations you have feelings about: doing this is as toxic as it gets.

I feel you've misread my comment(s). The feelings I expressed weren't about any nations, but rather about a particular HN thread. If that's "as toxic as it gets," sorry. I don't think I was personally being very nationalistic, ether. Maybe others were, though. All I wanted was a thread to stay on topic.

> Edit: actually you went so far over the line that we banned the account. No one is allowed to turn HN into nationalistic hell, regardless of which nation they're fighting for.

Sorry. I did not think I was engaging in any personal attacks or "nationalistic flame-war," rather just responding to Jonathanyc, who:

1. Followed me, personally, from another thread because they seemed to believe they were entitled a response to some off-topic "points."

2. Made baseless accusations against me, such as accusing me of being an "agent provocateur," a Russian or Chinese troll, and someone who was engaging in the "political abuse of psychology."

I think Jonathanyc's behavior was far more characteristic of a "personal attack." You're the mod and can ban and unban who you like, but I do hope there's at least some consistency in treatment.

Anyway, I think I got very little warning here, and I feel I might be getting judged for the actions of others. I really don't see any of my comments rising to the level of a "flame," except maybe the exasperated ones that were in response to direct personal attacks against me might barely qualify.