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Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by verylittlemeat » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 7:07 AM UTC

toomanybeersies wrote: post #117

vowelless wrote: post #43

Firstly, my sympathies with the people at Youtube HQ. I have many, many friends in the bay area and so this kind of thing hits close to home. Secondly, I struggle when thinking about if we should give airtime to a shooter's grievances, or reasons. Or even mention who they are. I tend to be on the side of: don't give them any air time. And certainly, don't acquiesce to this type of behavior because it is almost by def…

There are correct ways to start a discourse around censorship. Shooting people is not one of them.

Blowing people up got Ted Kaczynski's anti-technology manifesto printed in the NYTimes. Even if got through to one person I bet he feels like it was worth it.

It's not something to admit in polite company but violence is a great way to start a conversation.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by fermienrico » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 7:09 AM UTC

jl6 wrote: post #137

tristanj wrote: post #18

Looks like this is the culprit's website http://www.nasimesabz.com/index.html There are links to her (4?) youtube accounts, which have all been terminated. There's a link to her instagram, which has also been terminated, however there is a cached-copy here http://www.pictame.com/tag/yesilnasim

That’s a style of web design I’ve seen before - lots of colors, different font sizes, wall of text rants... something about it screams mental instability. See Time Cube for an extreme example.

Basically, but this logic, any visual subculture is mentally instable. Anime, gothic, punk, hardcore, etc.

In retrospect, you can say it screams mental instability but that's called confirmation bias.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by verylittlemeat » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 7:12 AM UTC

celdon25 wrote: post #70

aaaaaaaaaaa12 wrote: post #59

One of her complaints was that YouTube age-restricted her yoga videos (which were modest by Western standard, she was just wearing shorts, a shirt and no socks), while not age-restricting much more explicit Nicki Minaj and Miley Cyrus videos. Is there any explanation to why YouTube does this?

That depends on your definition of explanation. There are loads of complaints and theories. Here's the official policy: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6162278?hl=en I'm really not a fan of the policy, and it would be a real shame if it wasn't changed. But it would also be a shame if it was changed because of a shooting. It shouldn't have come to this in the first place.

She had a pretty good point. Any given popular music video is loaded with borderline porn. Why were her fully clothed yoga videos (that weren't even questionably sexual) not allowed but the former were?

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 7:13 AM UTC

declan wrote: post #104

komali2 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You made me scroll through the youtube TOS to see if that was considered a violation. As far as I can tell it's technically not... in fact, I can't even find a blanket "YouTube reserves the right to remove any content, for any reason, whatsoever" statement. They don't actually need to state that in the TOS, because they do have that right, but, still.

Section 4(J): "YouTube reserves the right to discontinue any aspect of the Service at any time." Section 6(F): "YouTube reserves the right to remove Content without prior notice." https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms

That's indeed quite telling about the TOS nowadays: two people from HN double/triple checked the TOS to find a simple statement and couldn't find it. Yet, it's there.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by dvh » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 7:15 AM UTC

jrimbault wrote: post #143

jl6 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a style of web design I’ve seen before - lots of colors, different font sizes, wall of text rants... something about it screams mental instability. See Time Cube for an extreme example.

Uniform black background under the piles of colors.

Linux terminal with syntax highlighting?

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by verylittlemeat » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 7:18 AM UTC

pavs wrote: post #156

Jesus_Jones wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you expand on that? Did she make irrational comments, accuse people of impossible acts, was she threatening? I looked at the 1.5 minute video someone copied out and she was upset but not frothing at the mouth.

You don't have to be "frothing at the mouth" to be mentally unstable. I saw her videos on Dailymotion and I had the impression that something is not right with her, can't really pinpoint or explain what it is. but definitely very awkward in front of the camera. Just my personal take on it.

You mean like Poppy who has millions of views on youtube? If you saw her before she was known you'd probably think she was just as likely to shoot up youtube HQ.

The truth it's not as easy as it seems to separate the "merely deviant" and the violently deviant. That's why censors often choose blanket censorship of any deviance.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by noobermin » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 7:22 AM UTC

jl6 wrote: post #137

tristanj wrote: post #18

Looks like this is the culprit's website http://www.nasimesabz.com/index.html There are links to her (4?) youtube accounts, which have all been terminated. There's a link to her instagram, which has also been terminated, however there is a cached-copy here http://www.pictame.com/tag/yesilnasim

That’s a style of web design I’ve seen before - lots of colors, different font sizes, wall of text rants... something about it screams mental instability. See Time Cube for an extreme example.

Walls of text rants exist all across the internet.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by silveroriole » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 7:23 AM UTC

verylittlemeat wrote: post #173

celdon25 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends on your definition of explanation. There are loads of complaints and theories. Here's the official policy: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6162278?hl=en I'm really not a fan of the policy, and it would be a real shame if it wasn't changed. But it would also be a shame if it was changed because of a shooting. It shouldn't have come to this in the first place.

She had a pretty good point. Any given popular music video is loaded with borderline porn. Why were her fully clothed yoga videos (that weren't even questionably sexual) not allowed but the former were?

Part of this is obvious: youtube restriction policies are largely based on what is advertiser-friendly, and popular music videos are advertiser-friendly by definition.

I don’t know what caused her videos to be demonetised, but she’s not wrong - it does seem pretty much arbitrary with no proper channel for disputing it.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by golemiprague » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 7:25 AM UTC

That's why the founding fathers of the US were so smart, they just realised that letting people vent is the best and safest way to prevent crazies from actually acting on their craziness. I think all the silicon valley giants should just adopt the first amendment as their policy, rather than imposing all kind of stupid rules dictated by "advocates" to keep us "safe". It is also legal, at least in the US.

Re: Suspect in YouTube Shooting Posted Rants About the Company Online

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Post by jmharvey » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 7:26 AM UTC

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #118

I heard on the radio just earlier that it was declared a "domestic dispute" by local police.

I also saw those reports. I found that WNYC's "Breaking News Consumer Handbook"[1] was a useful tool for sorting through the various reports. Many of the reports citing a "domestic dispute" either cited other news outlets (in some cases, without even citing any particular outlet) or attributed its facts to vague "reports."

Of the sources I was following, KRON seemed to have the lowest standards (at times even publishing contradictory statements as fact in consecutive paragraphs of their story), while NYT had the highest (but, correspondingly, stuck with the "the shooter has not been identified" line for hours longer than most other outlets).

I find looking at the Wikipedia history page [2] for incidents like this educational for understanding how our knowledge of events changed over time. In this case, the Wikipedia article attributed the domestic dispute claim to two law enforcement officials who spoke to CBS News. The cited CBS News article no longer supports the facts in the Wikipedia article, but presumably did at one time.

[1] https://www.wnyc.org/story/breaking-news-consumers-handbook-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=YouTube_headquart...