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Triplebyte Raises $10M from Initialized Capital, Marissa Mayer and Paul Graham

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Using a burner because I don't want to tie this to my company. You can send your CV to $bigcorp directly, but $bigcorp is inundated with CVs, and many CVs have a casual relationship with reality. I do a lot of interviews on the hiring side. I look at a lot of resumes. And other than "worked in a similar position at a big-5 tech company or well regarded unicorn," nothing on a resume provides much signal. There are a h…

70 or 80 percent of candidates who say on their CV that they can code, and have convinced a recruiter that they can code, can't write a class and a couple of functions. Any other hiring managers here see this? It just seems hard to believe. Are you sure it's not the case that they can code just fine but just can't balance a red black tree in 5 minutes in a language that was never mentioned as a requirement before whi…

The number is honestly not surprising, particularly if it's a genuinely large and well known tech company.

When we've put out the call for Senior Developers experienced with language X (pick any: C#, Javascript, Objective-C), we get people who can't even write a basic hello-world statement being sent through by recruiters.

Years ago we built a basic coding test which is effectively "Here's a class, now modify it according to these sets of requirements" - something that anyone modestly competent in those languages can do in 20 minutes at most. We deliberately avoided writing trick questions, and tried to write it in clear basic language to avoid any issues with language barriers.

Applicants are asked to either do it at home, or if they don't have the ability to do so, they can come into our offices and sit in a meeting room with a laptop to complete it.

Keep in mind, this is for people who've already submitted a CV (directly, or through a recruiter) and report they have years of experience with these languages.

We've had people write back saying that it was too difficult, others who submit complete garbage that not only doesn't compile/run, but doesn't even have vaguely correct syntax for the language.

We had someone who took up the offer to do it in our offices, who we had to kick out after they sat there from about lunchtime until we were closing the offices at 7pm, and all they had done was copy down our model class from the questionnaire (incorrectly) and write some comments about how they might implement it.

I thought that it kind of overstating of skill was limited to just development roles, but having seen the quality of the people applying for Senior-level roles as DBAs, Sysadmins, BI folks - it's all terrible.

Re: Triplebyte Raises $10M from Initialized Capital, Marissa Mayer and Paul Graham

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I had a great experience with Triplebyte as a candidate (now hired employee), but I'd love to see them expand to other categories. Remote-friendly companies is a big one, but even more important is different skill levels. Right now triplebyte is oriented around finding the best, instead of finding everyone and helping employers get a candidate whose career path matches their needs. Their process is fantastic. I can s…

> different skill levels

Not nearly enough people in the hiring chain understand the importance of this.

Whether an employee can get along with co-workers is probably by far the most important metric in most jobs, yet it's mostly ignored because it's hard to test for. I guess companies hope they'll figure out if someone's a bad fit while they're still in a probationary period or something.

The most skilled worker in their field is useless if they can't cooperate and communicate effectively with others.

With the loyalty, willingness to learn and work ethic you can usually expect from an initially lower-skilled employee (along with lower wages/cost), a little training could turn them into a hugely valuable team member in fairly short order if a company makes an effort to ramp them up properly. Giving more of these people a shot will dramatically increase your odds of finding team members who work together well and become greater than the sum of their parts.

This idea of ignoring everyone who doesn't fit a ridiculously narrow criteria causes a whole lot of missed opportunities across the board. You end up hiring a bunch of elites-on-paper all trying to outmaneuver each other into the most possible money who will be gone in 2-3 years, while 'less attractive' candidates who would actually care about the work and tend to stick around get tossed in the garbage without even being seen.

Re: Triplebyte Raises $10M from Initialized Capital, Marissa Mayer and Paul Graham

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What was always most interesting to us about starting a recruiting company was seeing what would happen if you treated hiring as a data problem. Partly we've raised more funding for the same reason any startup does, so we can grow faster to get more customers = more revenue = more success, etc. But we're also driven by how the larger the scale we operate at, the faster we can run experiments to answer questions about…

Wow. Is it just me or does that sound like a downright horrifying company to deal with as a candidate? At our company, we try to painstakingly craft our recruiting experience to make sure each candidate we interview has a good experience and ends up with a positive impression of our company regardless of whether or not we end up sending them an offer. At the end of the day, we're all human beings, each with something…

I'd rather find a better long term fit quicker than have a pleasant process when looking.

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I was interviewed by them. Best process ever. Easy, straightforward, had options but I wasn't really interested in working for other people anyway. They let me code in ClojureScript for the snake game if memory serves. Also, this was many years ago when they initially started out so I am assuming they only got better.

You made a snake game for an interview? Sounds fun :)

Yeah, and live mods to it as well. They had me write a Tetris game in person. All in all, I think the process most definitely will find good devs.

Re: Triplebyte Raises $10M from Initialized Capital, Marissa Mayer and Paul Graham

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It would be interesting to see stats on new grad engineers by college in a similar way as the very popular hard drive stats from backblaze. I would like to test my hypothesis that grads from the top 10 cs schools as determined by US News et al. are generally good, but overvalued.

It highly depends on how you measure value. If you measure value in terms of what they bring to the overall organization, people from top 10 schools are very likely overvalued. If you measure what value they bring to the team, top 10 schools are probably correctly valued. The difference is that the manager of the team hiring from Harvard can speak to people in more senior roles about how great their team is and how t…

I was thinking of stats like this:

- % of candidates that applied contacted by company - % can fizzbuzz - % offered position - % still working at company after 6 months...

Re: Triplebyte Raises $10M from Initialized Capital, Marissa Mayer and Paul Graham

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Using a burner because I don't want to tie this to my company. You can send your CV to $bigcorp directly, but $bigcorp is inundated with CVs, and many CVs have a casual relationship with reality. I do a lot of interviews on the hiring side. I look at a lot of resumes. And other than "worked in a similar position at a big-5 tech company or well regarded unicorn," nothing on a resume provides much signal. There are a h…

> 70 or 80 percent of candidates who say on their CV that they can code, and have convinced a recruiter that they can code, can't write a class and a couple of functions. I work for a large non-Big-5 and our failure rate at that level is far lower. Is this only or predominantly for juniors?

It's predominantly for household names. People know that scoring a job at one of these companies would be a golden ticket.

It's almost like playing the lottery. You know you probably won't win, but it's nice to have a dream.

Re: Triplebyte Raises $10M from Initialized Capital, Marissa Mayer and Paul Graham

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About a week ago, I did some A/B testing. I completed their online screener twice. Once answering all of the questions as good as possible. The other answering the questions with the third option (multiple choice). In both cases, I passed the screener. (shrugs)

Cargo cult data science.

aka most "big data" projects

Who else has noticed that most of those graphs don't start at zero and instead only show a very filtered view of the statistics collected?

Re: Triplebyte Raises $10M from Initialized Capital, Marissa Mayer and Paul Graham

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Yahoo wasn't doing well at all before Marissa took over. Do you have some compelling evidence as to why their continued demise was her fault?

When she joined yahoo in 2012, Microsoft was willing to pay $51 Billion for Yahoo thats how the valuation was, But after running it for 4 years the valuation reached a low of $5 Billion. She said she will turn it around. In 2016 she said she will turn yahoo around in 3 yrs. And very soon yahoo was sold, she misguided a lot of stockholders with that statement. Also the blame of a sinking ship goes to the captain as do…

I do actually want to give credit to this point. I have no strong feelings at all on Marissa/yahoo, but if you join a company as a CEO and it loses 90% of it's value, from a business perspective at the very least, you failed.

If you know the ship is sinking, then you should sell it right away (at 50B) then invest that in index funds, and end up with +7% each year, instead of -90% over 4 years.

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