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Re: Dropbox S-1

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well, there's less chance of advertisements, and it gets to the point rather quickly i am not an economist or lawyer and prefer it i don't have to worry about a writer/editor injecting personal opinions that i could care less about

> and it gets to the point rather quickly In a mere 160 pages. Unless you know what to look for it most certainly does not get to the point rather quickly.

Learning curves can have solid payoff.

Re: Dropbox S-1

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post #164

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But renters don't have market share. If you're Amazon (Dropbox), you have a strong position to negotiate better shipping (network) rates from FedEx and UPS (ISPs).

Depending on how many companies you negotiate with (monopoly vs. monopsony).

And whether they’re competitors with each other. ISPs are largely regional monopolies so you can’t play them off each other as easily. They have the stronger bargaining position. Certainly stronger than Dropbox (people don’t buy internet service for Dropbox alone).

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SNAP's infrastructure story in the S-1 filing was a mess. They had 2016 revenue of $404M with a cost of revenue of $451M. A 5 year, $2 billion dollar vendor lock-in to Google. They basically admitted that Google has them completely by the balls and it costs them $3 per user per year to keep the servers on. Both of these independently are very very bad, together it's a disaster. Facebook was at $1/user/year in their S…

Note that the modern gospel is any net business dont give a crap about costs, only growth and the ability to raise money. This has been explicity stated by the saas business ‘gurus’ So even at 3$ per user that goes lower pretty quickly. Plus they get alliance w/goog. Aws is a force but if i had a choice id have goog as a best friend over amazon. Preferably id build my own data center and keep those assets.

> modern

If by modern, you mean 2015. Things definitely changed by 2017.

Re: Dropbox S-1

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would like to see more evidence and proof those numbers are credible...

Dropbox's numbers are in their S1 filing and Box's in their financials already linked. Are you questioning the legitimacy of these filings?

Unhappily it's common to find that S1 financial claims are overstated after the fact, it's a part of making ipo prospects as positive as possible.

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I'm not surprised to see net neutrality mentioned as a risk factor. Our platform depends on the quality of our users’ access to the internet. Certain features of our platform require significant bandwidth and fidelity to work effectively. Internet access is frequently provided by companies that have significant market power that could take actions that degrade, disrupt or increase the cost of user access to our platf…

They could also call out the flip side though, right? Dropbox could negotiate deals with the ISPs to "box out" smaller competitors. Maybe it costs them upfront but it also solidifies them in the market.

Yes, but that's not a "risk factor"... generally in an issuance document, the big pressure is to disclose all the material negatives of your business that you're aware of, partially so that down the road the SEC or your investors can't complain they weren't warned of that risk during the issuance.

Re: Dropbox S-1

#176

Just curious - how's a raw SEC filing preferable to a reliable article summarizing it in non-legalese, providing context with the competition, etc. Other than lawyers and economists, does anyone ACTUALLY prefer this raw filing? EDIT: Adding my preferred link: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/23/dropbox-ipo-form-s-1-prospec...

SEC filings aren't hard to read after you've been through a few and know what to look for.

I was really excited to see they cut their infra costs while supporting more revenue (bottom of page 71), that bodes very well for their future prospects.

Re: Dropbox S-1

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Commentary on valuation: 1. Box, a public company, is currently valued at $3.17B. It had revenues of ~$480M with a net loss of $150M in 2017 [1] 2. In contrast, Dropbox had revenues of $1.11B with a net loss of $111M in 2017. The higher revenues, and lower losses bode well for Dropbox. Objectively, that would value Dropbox in the $8B-$9B range, $1B-$2B short of it's previous $10B private valuation [1]: https://goo.gl…

Does this mean that investors in their $10B round lost money? Is this common?

Rumor was they had a weird liquidation preferences in that round, which made it more like debt. Something like a 2x floor and 3x cap. Not sure how that resolves in an IPO though.

Re: Dropbox S-1

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Just curious - how's a raw SEC filing preferable to a reliable article summarizing it in non-legalese, providing context with the competition, etc. Other than lawyers and economists, does anyone ACTUALLY prefer this raw filing? EDIT: Adding my preferred link: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/23/dropbox-ipo-form-s-1-prospec...

most everyone in the finance industry does

it contains the "source" facts with limited embellishment. there are all kinds of regulations that essentially result in SEC filings being fairly standardized, limited-BS documents. you dont have to worry about distilling commentary and opinion with fact, generally

for commentary and context, equity research reports are generally helpful as long as you're aware of the inherent bias. articles online can also be helpful, but generally the quality varies, and you have to spend commensurately more time fact checking

once you learn how to ctrl-f the right terms and understand the general skeleton of each type of report, it is actually pretty easy to find the relevant information

Re: Dropbox S-1

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Congratulations to them. I don't really understand why anyone would use dropbox given the multitude of different offerings out there. I'm curious if anyone who uses them can give me a take on why I should use them. I currently use Google Drive + Google Docs and am very satisfied. I pay for 1 TB of storage for personal work / storage.

Personally, I have never had an issue with Dropbox on any device that I am running. The very first app I'll install on any new device is Dropbox without even thinking about it. At this point, cloud storage has become an independent category so I don't mind using an additional service that is not part of Google, Microsoft, Amazon, or Apple. Normally I try to consolidate the number of apps/services I use, but Dropbox performs exceptionally well and I trust them.

Congrats to Dropbox on achieving this milestone!

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