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Re: So Close

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Post by austenallred »

exergy wrote: post #154
austenallred wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Silicon valley is chock full of know-nothing delusionals who love the smell of their own farts a little too much. And Hacker News is full of people who lob bombs at everyone who tries and fails because it makes them feel superior for never having tried, all the while vastly underestimating the difficulty of building something meaningful. Most efforts at building something great fail, so it’s easy to shit on everyth…

[Removed pointless ranting]

Headed to bed. Enjoy.

Re: So Close

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Post by minimaxir »

austenallred wrote: post #141
exergy wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Irreverently, fuck this attitude instead. Silicon valley is chock full of know-nothing delusionals who love the smell of their own farts a little too much. People who're convinced that their idiotic pilgrimage towards delivering a "magical" "experience", while completely divested from common sense and lacking any semblance of an answer to "but why?", will nevertheless change the world and "delight" users. Fuck all of…

> Silicon valley is chock full of know-nothing delusionals who love the smell of their own farts a little too much. And Hacker News is full of people who lob bombs at everyone who tries and fails because it makes them feel superior for never having tried, all the while vastly underestimating the difficulty of building something meaningful. Most efforts at building something great fail, so it’s easy to shit on everyth…

"Hacker News always trolls new products" and "Entrepreneurs should always ignore Hacker News because they always troll new products" are equally problematic absolutes.

Re: So Close

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Post by siddharthdeswal »

jamestimmins wrote: post #144
siddharthdeswal wrote: post #136

It's good this happened, else we'd have another Juicero on our hands. Ridiculous price, beautifully over engineered product, a slight update to a centuries old problem, but at least they didn't get the opportunity to burn up as much investor money as Juicero.

That said, most people use locks multiple times a day (and keep keys with us at all times), whereas we rarely drink juice. Juicero was a high cost solution for a relatively uncommon use case. This appears to be a high cost solution for a common one. It's possible that it was overpriced, but the idea of paying $600+ for a phone would have seemed nuts years ago as well. It's easy to say something has a ridiculous price…

Agreed, building a high cost high value brand, and then moving downmarket is known to work.

I compared this to Juicero because the "degree of innovation" in their product doesn't seem to justify the 20x price premium [1].

To compare, a cheap Nokia is ~INR 4000, a OnePlus 5 is ~INR 30000 and an iPhone 7 is ~INR 45000.

However, there's a world of difference in features, components, software in the 10x phones.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00EZYA61K/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=...

Re: So Close

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Post by angel_j »

dang wrote: post #156
angel_j wrote: post #90

What a garbage post from a garbage project that wasted lots of time. Locks keeps honest people honest, they don't stop a determined burglar. A digital, key-less system with new gears to move the same deadbolt, is providing zero innovation, b/c it's still just a little deadbolt securing all ~inch of door-perimeter to the frame (unless I missed something and they also re-invented the door hinge). So much business BS in…

Please don't post indignant rants like this to Hacker News. It reliably leads to garbage threads, as the embarrassing sequence of 'fuck you', 'fuck you and your farts', and 'no fuck YOU' amply demonstrates below. It's cringeworthy. The users who posted those things should be ashamed of defacing HN this way, but the original fault lies with your comment, since had you posted a thoughtful one instead, those other comme…

I disagree. Civility in conversation has been a tactic used against women for centuries. "You can't talk that way! It's un-lady-like!" It is the morality of society who want to control those they oppress, by silencing them.

And I didn't post from the bottom of the barrel, FYVM, I posted from the bottom of my heart.

Re: So Close

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Post by angel_j »

austenallred wrote: post #122
angel_j wrote: post #90

What a garbage post from a garbage project that wasted lots of time. Locks keeps honest people honest, they don't stop a determined burglar. A digital, key-less system with new gears to move the same deadbolt, is providing zero innovation, b/c it's still just a little deadbolt securing all ~inch of door-perimeter to the frame (unless I missed something and they also re-invented the door hinge). So much business BS in…

Respectfully, fuck this attitude. Trying to recreate something each of us uses every day and make it delightful is a completely worthy goal. To say that a “keyless lock” isn’t a new user experience makes zero sense whatsoever - it’s a new UX by definition. The fact that it wouldn’t stop a SWAT team from breaking the door down is beside the point - they never claimed it would, and that wasn’t the goal. Why is their pa…

To your three points:

0. We could all delightfully try to innovate all day without millions of wasted funding and a guy spewing garbage like every day that for a boss, filling our heads with propaganda. Also, does a lock need to be delightful? Did you not read they wanted you do be addicted to using their lock????

1. What's the difference? How about money, ego, and industry. we all get to have passions, but do they all deserve millions in funding?

2. Uh, what community is that? One of those "global" communities? I'm a hacker and maker, but I certainly don't feel like i'm a member of any such community. I'm not here to pat on the back the privileged failure of people I don't know, just cuz they are by some loose definition "makers" or hackers. Like, hackers do things with ingenuity and curiosity, not $50M. And I am mocking that project from the top-down, starting with the manic CEO who wrote that crap; so, it only trickles down to the hard working people who were conned into giving passion and time to the endeavor, but at least they got paid for being hoodwinked into believing they were "changing the world"... with a lock.

Re: So Close

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Post by siidooloo »

_aarti wrote: post #126
twblalock wrote: post #10

If I understand the sequence of events properly, the company entered acquisition negotiations and agreed not to solicit other bids during that time. When the acquisition fell apart, the company was out of money and had to stop operations. If that's correct, it seems to me like it's something they should have known in advance -- if they knew they would be out of money by the end of the year, why would they enter acqui…

The employee never worked on the actual product. He joined as a contractor 1 month before launch to work in the IT department on the website. He had been with the company only 3 months. So, I disagree with his comments about the product. His points about management should be taken into consideration. The shutdown was mismanaged. The core engineering team had folks with 3+ years working on Mechanical, Electrical, Firm…

That makes it sound worse. Based on what you say he wasn't paid for 2 out of 3 months. And presumably they were bringing new people on until the very end, when they must have known it might fall apart.

Re: So Close

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Post by exergy »

dang wrote: post #170
exergy wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Removed pointless ranting]

I'm glad you work at CERN as an engineer. I work at Hacker News as a moderator. Really, please don't "do this". You're doing more damage to this site, which is trying against steep odds to be a place for thoughtful conversation, than even 100% rightness of your points could justify. I assume you benefit from Hacker News, since you're a user here and a welcome one. But if you're benefitting from it, please take care o…

My apologies. You've a tough job as it is without me adding to your woes.

Re: So Close

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Post by _aarti »

siidooloo wrote: post #176
_aarti wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The employee never worked on the actual product. He joined as a contractor 1 month before launch to work in the IT department on the website. He had been with the company only 3 months. So, I disagree with his comments about the product. His points about management should be taken into consideration. The shutdown was mismanaged. The core engineering team had folks with 3+ years working on Mechanical, Electrical, Firm…

That makes it sound worse. Based on what you say he wasn't paid for 2 out of 3 months. And presumably they were bringing new people on until the very end, when they must have known it might fall apart.

He fought hard to become full time, he came in as a contractor and became full time within a month. He was paid until the last day. The contractors in the engineering team were all given option join full-time from the get go - they chose not to become full-time. No one in engineering knew we were shutting down. We were told 2 days before shutdown. I worked until 11 pm with many team members, including my manager until the night before.

Re: So Close

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Post by toomuchtodo »

bambax wrote: post #132
Casseres wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Love ≠ Trust For example if I love a junkie, I wouldn't want to enable that person to easily enter my house to steal something to pawn for drugs.

If you love someone you should be willing to give anything up. Anything. Morals, country, God, anything -- let alone, property. If not, that's ok but it's not "love" in my book.

Love is sacrifice. Be with someone that brings you joy when those sacrifices are necessary.

Re: So Close

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Post by dang »

exergy wrote: post #177
dang wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad you work at CERN as an engineer. I work at Hacker News as a moderator. Really, please don't "do this". You're doing more damage to this site, which is trying against steep odds to be a place for thoughtful conversation, than even 100% rightness of your points could justify. I assume you benefit from Hacker News, since you're a user here and a welcome one. But if you're benefitting from it, please take care o…

My apologies. You've a tough job as it is without me adding to your woes.

No worries! Thanks for listening. This is slippery stuff that we all need to be mindful of, especially at 4 AM. Myself certainly included.
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