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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by nacs »

jroseattle wrote: post #157
baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

I've had one engineer upgrade his work mac to high sierra. Failure, full stop. We've warned every other engineer not to apply the high sierra OS update until further notice.

And just as anecdotally, we've had all of our engineers upgrade to High Sierra and there haven't been any issues day to day.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by kaffeinecoma »

Adding my own anecdote, there seems to be some kind of problem with high I/O loads on High Sierra.

One of my projects involves indexing thousands of URLs. During development I use a large (80GB+) local cache of a few million files. Running the cache code (~100 lines of simple Golang) totally brings my iMac (3.8GHz Core i5, 24GB) to its knees. CPU shows as mostly idle & memory pressure is low, yet the machine can't redraw windows properly after about 5GB of I/O to local SSD.

Completely frustrating. I moved the code over to an older (2010!) Mac running Ubuntu and it handles it without breaking a sweat.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by mikeokner »

27182818284 wrote: post #92
threeseed wrote: post #84

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> Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices When ? Seriously when. I have used MacOS since 4.1 and never remember a period where there was the case. Especially during this phase of the development lifecycle i.e. we have only just had the 2nd point release update. I worked at Apple pre and post Jobs and nothing changed. Because he never managed any of the teams directly an…

Obviously responses are going to be pretty dependent on the person. For me personally the peak was Snow Leopard, then it plateaued for a bit, and then I feel like it has been downhill starting with Mavericks. Snow Leopard was so good I used to evangelize and talk about how great an OS it was with people who probably didn't know OS stood for operating system. It was that good. Now, heck, I haven't even installed the l…

Yep, agree 100%.

10.6.8 on the early unibody Macbook Pros was excellent.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by tolien »

mschuster91 wrote: post #162
tolien wrote: post #147

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> Argument #2 is parrotting what Apple said Weak argument or no, it is demonstrably true - the first Intel CPU to support LPDDR4 will be Cannon Lake, expected some time next year. The part that's missing is that Apple could have put a bigger battery in a device that was either the same size as the previous model (or anywhere between the thickness of the previous and current models), or offered customers the choice of…

> or offered customers the choice Apple does not want consumers to have a choice, or at least only the barely tolerable amount of choice. The more they control and have as uniform as possible the more profit they make.

Agreed - although the argument that Apple makes the choices for you is laughable when you consider how many SKUs there are for a lot of their devices these days (never mind watch bands!).

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by tempthrowaway23 »

m3kw9 wrote: post #121
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

Nice blanket statement, i don’t think you speak for any die hard Apple fans here. I’m a die hard fan, and I still use all their native apps. I’m not sure how you say they are bloated, notes is probably the best in class of notes apps out there. The calendars and reminder features are stripped down to a fault, but still useful because it just works for me. The stability of the software is getting worse, but with any i…

Try notational velocity, or nvalt. I think you'll like it.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by vetinari »

christoph wrote: post #34
JD557 wrote: post #23

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Do you have the Time Machine enabled? I also have this problem in Sierra. If my Time Machine HDD is not connected, it stores the backups locally. I can only reclaim space if I disable the Time Machine and restart my mac.

Nope, Time Machine isn't enabled.

Check the /cores directory, it is possible to waste a few tens of gigabytes there easily.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by johansch »

kaffeinecoma wrote: post #172

Adding my own anecdote, there seems to be some kind of problem with high I/O loads on High Sierra. One of my projects involves indexing thousands of URLs. During development I use a large (80GB+) local cache of a few million files. Running the cache code (~100 lines of simple Golang) totally brings my iMac (3.8GHz Core i5, 24GB) to its knees. CPU shows as mostly idle & memory pressure is low, yet the machine can't re…

I doesn't sound all that unlikely to me that all these temporary UI freezes are related to the new APFS then.

"How to skip converting to APFS when installing macOS High Sierra":

http://osxdaily.com/2017/10/17/how-skip-apfs-macos-high-sier...

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by robin_reala »

serpix wrote: post #161
bproven wrote: post #122

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Pretty good for me: My battery life is around 10-12 hours (watching video drops to about 6-7 hours) I did the following out of the box: - Use the Intel graphics exclusively - TLP - Powertop adjustments I also have the screen set at a low pretty brightness level as I find the 9550 screen pretty bright (too bright) at mid-high levels. SPECS: ------------ Ubuntu 17.10 Dell 9550 XPS i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz non-4K screen…

The new rMBP is about five hours if you don't touch it at all. under 4 hours if used for working. It is a step down from my previous 2012 model which is a damn shame.

There’s something wrong with your machine. I can squeeze a full days’ work out of it if I need to, and Apple claim up to 10 hours.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by ninkendo »

loopbit wrote: post #102
ninkendo wrote: post #90

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It’s... fine? Honestly I’ve upgraded on day 1 on every OSX release since lion, the only complaint I really have about High Sierra is that it doesn’t really change anything. I can’t even name one thing off the top of my head that changed since Sierra, and I use almost every built-in app (Mail, iTunes, Calendar, Safari, Terminal.) Safari has some new things (global and per-site reader view, disabling autoplay, privacy…

You might, I have a mac mini that has run fine since day one of the high sierra update. However, my rMBP has had several freezes (at least once a month) and a few graphical glitches (had to do a hard reboot after every instance). Both were updated at the same time. I keep my work laptop (another rMBP) on Sierra and I might just skip updating that one altogether.

Well, I also have occasional freezes (also probably once a month, typically it's when resuming from sleep) on my MBP but no more so than I had in Sierra and all the releases before. My iMac (5k) has been pretty much 100% reliable though, so I attribute most of this to the MBP hardware.

I'm not saying 10.13 has been perfectly reliable, but it doesn't seem less reliable than previous versions to me.

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