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Uber Paid Hackers to Delete Stolen Data on 57M People

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Re: Uber Paid Hackers to Delete Stolen Data on 57M People

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Post by pilsetnieks »

euyyn wrote: post #83
untog wrote: post #40

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I recall a story (that I'll probably recount incorrectly) about a daycare business deciding that too many parents were arriving late to pick up their children (meaning that staff had to stay late with the kids), so they instituted a fine for late pickups. The result was that more parents were late. The reason being that the parents effectively considered the fine a "late pickup fee", and one they were more than willi…

It's in the book Freakonomics, when talking about economic, social, and moral incentives. The day care changed what was a social incentive for an economic one, and then couldn't reverse the consequences: Not fining the parents anymore didn't reduce the number of late ones to previous levels.

The story also appears in Dan Ariely's "Predictably Irrational" [1]

[1] https://www.npr.org/2008/03/31/89233955/dan-ariely-takes-on-...

Re: Uber Paid Hackers to Delete Stolen Data on 57M People

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Post by LethargicStud »

kelnos wrote: post #151
euyyn wrote: post #95

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Why bother? I just deleted the app and forgot about it. Is there something I should know?

IIRC you can't remove all payment methods from the app, so just deleting the app will leave your credit card information in their hands. Also all your previous ride data will still be on their servers. Both of these things could be lost in a data breach, and presumably account deletion deletes this data.

I _really_ hope they let braintree handle that and don't touch PANs. If they do store PANs, presumably they'd be audited and hopefully would store them more securely. But hey, I guess you never know and less exposure is always better.

Re: Uber Paid Hackers to Delete Stolen Data on 57M People

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Post by nikcub »

madamelic wrote: post #47

Yep. About that time my Uber account was 'hacked' and someone kept requesting rides in Florida and I had to cancel them as fast as they made them. I emailed Uber support and they got back to my 3 days later. Then someone proceeded to try to gain access to every account I had with that email and password (yeah, yeah, I know). The next worse was someone getting into my DigitalOcean account and launching an instance. It…

Uber accounts are frequently sold on underground markets - they're sourced via endpoint malware and shared passwords

You should check over all of your accounts and machines - I doubt it has anything to do with this leak

Re: Uber Paid Hackers to Delete Stolen Data on 57M People

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Post by foxhop »

jogjayr wrote: post #163
foxhop wrote: post #158

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The way you fix this is by making each 5m late cost 2 gallon of milk. If you are late for 15m that's 6 gallons of milk, an operational burden has been passed to the late parent. It's embarrassing to bring in 6 gallons of milk, an inconvenience to buy and deliver it, and an effective deterrent.

> If the parents were fined a day's daycare fee for being ten minutes late you can bet their attitude would change. I think upping the pain works better. What's a daycare going to do with so many gallons of milk?

That amount of milk would last a couple days if snack is included in tuition. 20-40 glasses of milk, twice a day.

If for some reason you have too many gallons of milk, you can also use toilet paper, 10 rolls per 5 minutes. You can never have too much toilet paper, some late parents even buy the soft stuff too! lol

A huge fine isn't always the best deterrent and it makes people generally mad at your child care center.

Everyone gets a chuckle out of seeing a dad walk in with three jugs in each hand... It's a light hearted walk of shame and it really works to deter late pickups which is the real goal.

Re: Uber Paid Hackers to Delete Stolen Data on 57M People

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Post by [deleted] »

saganus wrote: post #119
21 wrote: post #61

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> laundered trillions of dollars of mega-organized-crime money While I agree with your sentiment, there is no need to use such inflated and hilarious numbers.

Edit: Thanks for the corrections. I definitely messed up the magnitudes here. Was doing some other calculation on another topic and somehow I mixed them both. Sorry about that. Please disregard this comment as it it way off :( While "trillions" is definitely inflated and hyperbole, I don't think it's THAT far off. According to this The Guardian article [0] "At least $881m in drug trafficking money was laundered throu…

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Re: Uber Paid Hackers to Delete Stolen Data on 57M People

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Post by _m8fo »

kelnos wrote: post #152
_m8fo wrote: post #75

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I disagree. One needs to be consistent in their actions, otherwise, what's the point? Two wrongs don't make a right, after all. EDIT: Er, I agree that hypocrisy shouldn't stop you from doing the right thing.

> Two wrongs don't make a right, after all. That saying... doesn't even apply here. Being consistent in all you do is hard. Doing 5 "bad" things instead of 10 "bad" things is certainly better.

the two wrongs in this case are the supposed wrong you did originally, and then the "wrong" of hypocrisy.

I agree with your overall point, though.

Re: Uber Paid Hackers to Delete Stolen Data on 57M People

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Post by [deleted] »

kelnos wrote: post #155
_m8fo wrote: post #92

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My overall point is that people don't actually care. It's just virtue signaling. If people cared they'd have consistency in their actions. For example, you probably are very consistent in the fact that you probably will never cause physical harm to someone. Consistency isn't impossible at all. People are already very consistent in doing what simply is convenient for them. In the case of Uber vs. Lyft, if you live in…

> My overall point is that people don't actually care. It's just virtue signaling. That's just, like, your opinion, man. I care up to certain thresholds. Last year my Uber use was probably 90%, Lyft 10%. Now that's flipped. I only use Uber if I'm outside the US and there's no comparable local alternative. Uber is demonstrably making less money than it used to because I do this, and Lyft is making more. I'm personally…

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Re: Uber Paid Hackers to Delete Stolen Data on 57M People

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Post by [deleted] »

bdamm wrote: post #165
foxhop wrote: post #158

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The way you fix this is by making each 5m late cost 2 gallon of milk. If you are late for 15m that's 6 gallons of milk, an operational burden has been passed to the late parent. It's embarrassing to bring in 6 gallons of milk, an inconvenience to buy and deliver it, and an effective deterrent.

You're kidding, right?

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