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Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by jeffdavis »

s73ver_ wrote: post #145
jeffdavis wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There should be some freedom to render the same page in different ways. Lynx is an extreme version, but there is lots of room to consider different platforms, environments, input devices and users.

Why? When I design a page, I know what I want it to look like. I don't want to have to waste a bunch of my time in compatibility hacks to get around crap that they do different.

You are asserting that the provider of the website should have complete control over the experience.

But not everyone agrees with you -- the readers want control, too, and it's their hardware, after all.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by flukus »

s73ver_ wrote: post #145
jeffdavis wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There should be some freedom to render the same page in different ways. Lynx is an extreme version, but there is lots of room to consider different platforms, environments, input devices and users.

Why? When I design a page, I know what I want it to look like. I don't want to have to waste a bunch of my time in compatibility hacks to get around crap that they do different.

Then you should publish PDF's or JPEG's because the user agent has always had final say in how a page renders, your style hints are merely recommendations.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by flukus »

niutech wrote: post #165
exikyut wrote: post #75

TL;DR: it's NOT using its own engine on Android. It uses Blink there. " On iOS, we are using the WebKit engine, as provided by iOS in the WKWebView control. That means that from a compatibility perspective, Microsoft Edge for iOS should match the version of Safari that is currently available for iOS. " " On Android, we are using the Blink rendering engine from the Chromium browser project. " Source: https://news.ycom…

This is a capitulation of Microsoft - instead of porting their engine to Android, they made a yet another Chromium/Blink shell. It is not what I expect from a big corporation.

I agree, this is about as impressive as some kid that builds his own browser in Visual Basic by drag'n'dropping in an IE control.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by ekianjo »

megaman22 wrote: post #126
ekianjo wrote: post #84

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I know what you mean. For Edge there's probably not many folks who would be interested, but Office, for one, is still something that's desirable for a lot of folks who use Linux just because of numerous compatibility issues with LibreOffice.

It's a lot easier to just run Office in Wine. It's been a few years, but the last time I tried, that worked. Honestly, if they were going to have a Linux client at this point, I would expect it to just be an Electron wrapper around the Office 365 webapps.

Wine does not run Office 2016.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by kasabali »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #41
IvanK_net wrote: post #29

The performance of Edge is comparable to Chrome or Firefox. It is a really great product. The sad part is, that they were keeping it Win10-only for several years. I think, that if they made Edge available for every platform and every OS earlier, they could have 20 - 50 % of the market by now. The funny part is, that there is NO EDGE FOR WINDOWS. Precisely, Edge is for Windows 10 only, which is the minority of all Win…

There is Edge for Windows. It's called Edge. Windows 10, is believe it or not, Windows. Any computer running Windows 7 or 8.1 can still (yes, it can) be upgraded to Windows 10 for free. So the only Windows PCs which cannot run Edge were those manufactured prior to 2009. Contrary to popular belief, there is no good reason to be running Windows 7 or 8.1. All of the telemetry anti-features were backported into those ver…

> All of the telemetry anti-features were backported into those versions

You don't have to install them, installing only security updates was still am option last time I checked it.

On top of it, even if you install them they can be turned off completely, and they are turned off by default, contrary to Windows 10 where you can't turn off telemetry.

> Contrary to popular belief, there is no good reason to be running Windows 7 or 8.1.

Yes there are. Windows 7/8.1 performs better and more snappy.

Windows 7 (and 8.1 with a classical standard menu extension to hide "modern" parts) has a more consistent interface unlike Windows 10 ui which is all over your face with inconsistent menus, colors, sizes etc. stinking out of everywhere. Half baked app choices with some modern and some classical apps and you don't know which one will open from which settings menu.

Forced updates whenever Windows feels like. There is no option out because pesky users can't be trusted.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by kasabali »

whowouldathunk wrote: post #92
newscracker wrote: post #79

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I’m one among many I know who upgraded my work system from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and regret it even after a year! The upgrade process was smooth, but every once in a while, it won’t allow me to login - it will just repeatedly throw an error saying my credentials are invalid (though they’re not). The solution is to try switching login methods, turn off the network, wait for several minutes or some combination of the…

You're arguing in favor of OS segmentation on a developer forum. Please no! Disclosure: I work for Microsoft.

Because developer comfort is all that matters and users be damned?

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by cptskippy »

yahna wrote: post #154
cptskippy wrote: post #119

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The reality is that a lot of sites query the UserAgent and deliver platform and browser specific sites. Google Search and Image Search are great examples of a crap experience if you're not using Safari on iOS or Chrome on Android. Microsoft is skirting around this by using each platform's engine and providing the user the best experience they can. \* Also they don't have a choice on iOS because Apple.

They can set the user agent to whatever they want.

Yes but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be able to interpret what they get in response.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by pjmlp »

niutech wrote: post #165
exikyut wrote: post #75

TL;DR: it's NOT using its own engine on Android. It uses Blink there. " On iOS, we are using the WebKit engine, as provided by iOS in the WKWebView control. That means that from a compatibility perspective, Microsoft Edge for iOS should match the version of Safari that is currently available for iOS. " " On Android, we are using the Blink rendering engine from the Chromium browser project. " Source: https://news.ycom…

This is a capitulation of Microsoft - instead of porting their engine to Android, they made a yet another Chromium/Blink shell. It is not what I expect from a big corporation.

If you watch Channel 9, BUILD and .NET Conf presentations, many of the web dev ones were done with Chrome.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by whowouldathunk »

kasabali wrote: post #176
whowouldathunk wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're arguing in favor of OS segmentation on a developer forum. Please no! Disclosure: I work for Microsoft.

Because developer comfort is all that matters and users be damned?

I would bet there would be less bugs overall if everyone was always using the latest version since it would reduce the test matrix.
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