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Re: Colony: A platform for open organizations

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Post by Aeolun »

mgkabar wrote: post #125
popcorncowboy wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary. This is a core project team member saying that in the event a dedicated agent IS sufficiently motivated and DOES manage to compromise a Colony, "well, the answer is simply ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" The many sentences that come before the shrug do nothing to address the very realistic scenario of a breach. The "sarcastic closing comment" was in fact the final truth of it.

It really seems like the most appropriate response to this is indeed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You're assuming quite a lot of this hypothetical hacker - the response above clearly addresses the hypothetical by stating "here are the relevant reasons why this hypothetical is impossible or at least unlikely, and here are the relevant sections in the whitepaper for more verbose information". >The many sentences that come before the shru…

> If you're assuming blackhat success for any conceivable project/company/database regardless of security measures taken to prevent it, what would an appropriate response even look like? What kind of answer would satisfy you?

I do the same thing when I assume that there will be bugs in my production software, regardless of any security/testing and measures taken to prevent it. Why is this suddenly less likely when we're talking about a DAO?

The answer that satisfies would of course be you still have the power to revert things if necessary, which you've already provided, but I'd never for the life of me imagine disabling it.

Re: Colony: A platform for open organizations

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Post by KuhlMensch »

jdjeiiie310 wrote: post #169
orcdork wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being suspicious or cautious, particularly considering the amount of people expressing the same sentiment in the comments, is not a knee-jerk reaction.

Especially when it’s been shown crypto currency can be expropriated and no one cares Oh boy another platform that can be gamed by a minority for their overwhelming benefit

What is the example of cryptocurrency expropriation you are referring to?

Re: Colony: A platform for open organizations

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Post by cvsh »

Chris2048 wrote: post #115
cvsh wrote: post #81

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It will probably come to mind for folks whose families were affected violently by colonization. That this wasn't brought up during the naming process paints a pretty clear picture of the team's demographic makeup. Edit: Yep. https://blog.colony.io/colony-q3-update-9daa57d0918c

Perhaps it was brought up, and not deemed relevant? "come[s] to mind" != "triggered" Suggesting a team should alter its "demographic" ("diversity" hiring) for the sake of such a weak association is extreme.

Hm, making the name of a brand you intend to market worldwide something deeply offensive to a huge swath of the world is a pretty poor decision.

I'm not saying their hiring "should" be altered, but I do think were it more inclusive, this would have never flown. Maybe that speaks to the value a diverse team brings to an organization.

Re: Colony: A platform for open organizations

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Post by Chris2048 »

cvsh wrote: post #173
Chris2048 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it was brought up, and not deemed relevant? "come[s] to mind" != "triggered" Suggesting a team should alter its "demographic" ("diversity" hiring) for the sake of such a weak association is extreme.

Hm, making the name of a brand you intend to market worldwide something deeply offensive to a huge swath of the world is a pretty poor decision. I'm not saying their hiring "should" be altered, but I do think were it more inclusive, this would have never flown. Maybe that speaks to the value a diverse team brings to an organization.

I'm not convinced it is "deeply offensive to a huge swath of the world". Or that a diverse team would bring more value.

Re: Colony: A platform for open organizations

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Post by danpalmer »

BjoernKW wrote: post #34
danpalmer wrote: post #24

This concept seems interesting, and great at first glance, but the more I think about it the more I’m skeptical as to whether it would be a fair system. It looks like a true meritocracy, but a computer does not fundamentally understand merit, which I assume means that it is left to people to recognise the merit in others. I can imagine this would lead to the same politics as you get when peer feedback influences bonu…

> I also worry that it would be too easy to game for certain people. I wouldn't call this gaming the system. It's well-known that in order to be successful it's often not enough just to do good work. You also need to tell others about your work as well as negotiate for yourself. Negotiating isn't cheating but an essential part of human communication that can be learned if you happen to be not particularly good at it.…

> Maybe, it's not necessarily women earning less than men but rather introvert or shy people?

Yes it's definitely both, but I feel stating it as a gender equality issue makes it much clearer that it is a failure that needs to be fixed.

> It's well-known that in order to be successful it's often not enough just to do good work

Agreed, I think this is a failing of most cultures right now. The good work that one does should speak for itself, and in a true meritocracy good work would be sufficient. Unfortunately that is never the case, it depends on people essentially boasting about what they do, and unfortunately it is all too easy for people who do mediocre work to boast loudly enough and receive praise. This is a current issue, and one I think Colony could encourage.

Re: Colony: A platform for open organizations

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Post by DonbunEf7 »

owens99 wrote: post #118
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #116

A closed* platform for open organizations. Are there plans to make this open source? There's only one correct answer to that question, and it should be made clear from the outset.

Why?

Because it's 2017 and we shouldn't suffer non-Free Software any longer.

Re: Colony: A platform for open organizations

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Post by QAPereo »

Kiro wrote: post #76
mbrock wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One's a scam and the other isn't? I mean, it's just a question of whether the thing is legitimate, real, and non-fraudulent.

That's what I'm asking though. Are "protocol tokens" the same as regular tokens, technically speaking?

In the same way that mmorpg currency is.

Re: Colony: A platform for open organizations

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Post by nullp0tr »

Chris2048 wrote: post #114
nullp0tr wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree,It's a big turn off for me personally to be honest. And I imagine institues in countries which were once colonized wouldn't be excited about using such a product/project due to fair historical reasons.

An organisation that throws out a tool because of its own insecure projections on its name has more problems..

Organizations still consist of people. An organization that forces it's employees to work with a tool that has a very historically charged name, one which perhaps even degrades the people working, is gonna have much more trouble than the one which threw out the tool because of the name, at least that's my opinion. Imagine a british company asking it's division, in what was a former colony, to work with a tool called colony. You could be a fully technical person who has no regard for how certain words were used historically and just understand them by definition and without the historical context, but then you shouldn't be in a position making managerial decisions which affect your international workforce.

Re: Colony: A platform for open organizations

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Post by Chris2048 »

nullp0tr wrote: post #178
Chris2048 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An organisation that throws out a tool because of its own insecure projections on its name has more problems..

Organizations still consist of people. An organization that forces it's employees to work with a tool that has a very historically charged name, one which perhaps even degrades the people working, is gonna have much more trouble than the one which threw out the tool because of the name, at least that's my opinion. Imagine a british company asking it's division, in what was a former colony, to work with a tool called…

Did you see my other post? Now you've upped the ante; even working with this tool "degrades" people.. A pretty big stretch imo, especially since "colony" is otherwise a pretty common word - you are only focusing on negative semantics.

> Imagine a british company..

I can, and still see no problem.

> but then you shouldn't be in a position

Why? By what standard does anyone weight "historical context"? It's your supposition that there would be any affect at all to international workers.

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