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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by bamboozled »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #94
bamboozled wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, there is little that Slack gives me IRC doesn't, a good client and I'm set.

> a good client What IRC client provides: - inline image uploads - multiline messages - chat search, including messages sent while your client is offline - pretty code formatting - pretty text formatting - file uploads - user management I know that IRC accomplishes something like 95% of what a team needs to communicate, but Slack absolutely shines at that last 5%. We currently use Hipchat, and it supports a lot of wh…

I really like the idea of slack; However, what happens with slack is that it gets misused.

It becomes an alerting system, task tracker, logging system, code review system and I could go on...

IRC is for realtime communications, other Comms are better off on GitHub Issues etc.

My experience has been slack gets abused.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by tomelders »

shangxiao wrote: post #22

> Atlassian, the company behind popular tools like … Trello sigh It's somewhat of a misleading statement that. My take on the "behind" is in the sense that they designed and created the product from its conception. I really love the Trello UX and believe that Atlassian products are the exact polar opposite. The only way an Atlassian product seems to gain love from a community is if they emulate something already in e…

> Atlassian, We make the software you're forced to use.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by scrollaway »

dleslie wrote: post #132
scrollaway wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We use Discord for all communications at my company, including now our video chats. We are fully remote and Discord is so much better than Hangouts it's not even funny. I've also transferred all my skype and hangouts contact lists into Discord. It's a lovely tool, lock in be damned.

How is Discord on Linux?

Excellent, save screenshare which is currently broken on the Discord desktop client (but works fine in web browser). I use Linux exclusively, I wouldn't be propping discord up if it weren't :)

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by new299 »

SomeHacker44 wrote: post #141

As the head of a company that uses HipChat... Thank you Atlassian. We have intended to migrate to the (free and better) Mattermost for a long time and just have been waiting for it to hit the top of our priority list. Knowing you are abandoning the terrible HipChat for an entirely new product, with no migration path and 50% more cost, makes this an easier choice. You have been abandoning us on JIRA and Confluence as…

What are good options for replacing Confluence? I looked at available open source wiki's maybe 1 or 2 years ago and there seems to be nothing that was as easy to use for non-technical people (which would include having WYSIWYG style editing).

Are there any good options now?

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by Karunamon »

breakingcups wrote: post #63
lin_lin wrote: post #4

From the makers of Jira and Confluence... no thanks.

Could you at least add what your criticism on those two products is? Jira and Confluence get a lot of hate, but I feel like that's mostly because of how it's set up by organizations. At my organization we've set up Jira (and later Confluence) in a very developer-centric way, by looking at the best way it could help the developer first, project manager second. This has led to universal adoption and no complaints or il…

I can definitely echo this. Confluence is just a wiki, Jira is just an issue tracker - both of these kinds of tools are table stakes for any serious development group. Most of the hate comes from the crappy setups enforced by overbearing companies. I've got very few complaints with either of these tools when developers are included in the talks about how they're to be set up and used.

Any tool can be made obnoxious if managed incorrectly.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by Karunamon »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done.

Then set your notifications and coworker's expectations appropriately. Chat tools can't fix bad culture.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by Karunamon »

moolcool wrote: post #40
morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

I wish people used IRC instead of all of these proprietary tools. I don't love the Slack client, xchat is much better.

I wish the IRC meme would die in the enterprise world. It's an evolutionary dead end that ignores the last 20 years or so of improvements and expectations for a messaging system.

* Service packages are poor replacements for fine-grained permission controls and registration.

* Always-connected clients are poor replacements for message history and push notifications.

* DCC is a a poor replacement for video chat, screen sharing, or file sharing.

* /whois and /away are poor replacements for user status tracking.

IRC had nearly 30 years to evolve and has not. It's time to move on.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by cialowicz »

dabernathy89 wrote: post #114

Like Slack, it has per user pricing. This means it's difficult for large open source projects to use it if they have any interest in keeping a permanent log, or even keeping a message history that goes back more than a few days. Feature-wise, the "Actions and Decisions" tools sound pretty interesting. Definitely a pain point with Slack. We've been using Slack for a lot of our planning for the Longhorn PHP conference…

Open source projects can request free licenses from Atlassian. Here's the form: https://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license...

Presumably, they'll add Stride to that form eventually.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by Karunamon »

orand wrote: post #151
SomeHacker44 wrote: post #141

As the head of a company that uses HipChat... Thank you Atlassian. We have intended to migrate to the (free and better) Mattermost for a long time and just have been waiting for it to hit the top of our priority list. Knowing you are abandoning the terrible HipChat for an entirely new product, with no migration path and 50% more cost, makes this an easier choice. You have been abandoning us on JIRA and Confluence as…

Which Jira and Confluence features aren't available for fully upgraded self-hosted instances?

Seconding this. It always seemed to me that you lose features by going to the cloud hosted version.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by Karunamon »

marshallofsound wrote: post #37
tomschlick wrote: post #5

I'm curious as to what will happen to HipChat. Having 2 competing chat products under one roof isn't ideal, I'd assume one will get the axe at some point.

There is a direct migration path from HipChat Cloud to Stride: https://confluence.atlassian.com/stride-documentation/faq-st...

Yow, that was unexpected. Relevant words:

Do you plan to sunset HipChat Cloud?

For now, HipChat Cloud will continue to be supported, but eventually we will encourage all HipChat Cloud customers to upgrade to Stride.

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