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Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by ComodoHacker »

tony101 wrote: post #158
ThePhysicist wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've tried it, but their solution is (IMHO) a very poor fit for a business e-mail account, as there is (or was when I used the service) no way to manage e-mail accounts for your employees and no way to archive / extract their e-mails in case of need (I understand that it's a privacy-focused e-mail service, but as an employer you have legal requirements to keep business documents for several years, and having to rely…

It looks like ProtonMail released new account management features just a few weeks ago, including the capability for "organization admins to access the emails of other organization users" while still preserving end-to-end encryption. Source: https://protonmail.com/blog/encrypted-email-for-organization...

>while all organization accounts are end-to-end encrypted, it is still possible for organization admins to access the emails of other organization users. Thus, organizational oversight and management is still possible, even with end-to-end encryption. Furthermore, administrative read permissions are also granted or revoked automatically when admin users are created or demoted.

I wonder how can they provide this without either storing encryption keys on their servers or reencrypting (client-side!) all email during such events.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by ComodoHacker »

dgut wrote: post #55
influx wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also the fact that they leaked an internal document to the world doesn't give me great confidence they won't do that again. There have already been instance of Google employees snooping in gmail: http://www.businessinsider.com/google-engineer-stalked-teens...

What makes you think ProtonMail employees couldn't do the same? Not a critique of PM (I'm a paying user myself), but this is not a reason to switch.

>What makes you think ProtonMail employees couldn't do the same?

ProtonMail is end-to-end encrypted. (Can't verify it myself, though.)

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by ComodoHacker »

intopieces wrote: post #19
jmeyer2k wrote: post #2

Bitcoin is not anonymous.

You are never anonymous when you connect to the Internet, even over Tor, even through 7 proxies. There is always a connection right back to you. We need to move beyond the obsession with anonymity and refocus the goal as being privacy. Then, recognize that privacy has several levels. That way, the expectation is more clear.

>We need to move beyond the obsession with anonymity and refocus the goal as being privacy.

You mean "we" == a dozen of first world countries? There is strong demand for anonymity all over the world.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by blunte »

MollyR wrote: post #34

I'm thinking of switching my business email to protonmail from gmail. Any users like it ? The whole google memo revealed google employees are not as trustworthy as I thought. All the social media talk of blacklists, and inquisition tactics from some of upper management is bad for business. I've already gotten emails from clients asking me to change their business google services to something else (anything else in th…

I won't go into details, but I moved my personal and business activities (including 8 domains) away from PM after using their top tier service for a year. Let's just say that performance and usability in moderately heavy business use was not acceptable.

And keep in mind that even though your email is encrypted within PM, it is not encrypted on the mail servers of the people you have been communicating with (unless they are also PM accounts). So the primary attraction is largely moot.

I hope they catch up in the areas I think they need improvement, but providing Gmail level service is quite difficult unless you're big and well funded.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by blunte »

wakkaflokka wrote: post #59

I've been forwarding all of my email from Gmail to ProtonMail, just to see how I like the ProtonMail interface. So far I'm liking it a lot. A little weirdness on getting timely notifications on Android. But I might switch completely. Anybody make the switch?

I did, and I switched back. Maybe I'll try them again if they ever release a feature that allows me to export (bulk) email. Until then, any emails you receive directly to PM are trapped there (unless you manually forward each one, by hand).

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by blunte »

rtpg wrote: post #135

So this product is still priced in Euros, though you can pay in BTC. Are there major products out there priced in Bitcoin yet?

Until bitcoin is accepted essentially everywhere, but all levels of private and business, you won't see BTC-first prices.

That's because the companies that accept bitcoin as payment have their own expenses, and it's unlikely that most of their bills can be paid by bitcoin.

It's easier to understand if you imagine your businesses in your country allowing you to buy products at a fixed price in some other country's currency.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by blunte »

thinbeige wrote: post #66

PR. Nothing else. Who wants to pay with Bitcoin when Bitcoin is skyrocketing like crazy?

If the value of bitcoin goes up relative to the local currency (CHF, EUR, USD), then when you pay next month, the amount of BTC you'll need to pay will be lower.

They are going to charge you whatever amount of bitcoin gives them X CHF per month. If bitcoin doubles in value relative to CHF, then next month you'll probably be asked to pay half as much bitcoin.

This is no different than if you were buying service from a foreign company, and that company charged you in their local currency. You would have to pay the current equivalent in your local currency. Sometimes you would pay more than last month, sometimes less.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by aladine »

linuxready wrote: post #160
tajen wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did you switch away from Fastmail? I'm there.

Possible reasons (I'm also with Fastmail and it makes me uncomfortable): - Fastmail can immediately cancel your account for any reason: "The Service Provider may terminate your access to any part or all of the Service and any related service(s) at any time, with or without cause, with or without notice, effective immediately, for any reason whatsoever, with or without providing any refund of any payments." - Fastmail…

Good reason, but i stick with fastmail for now. As the UI and user experience still good for me.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by bartbutler »

blunte wrote: post #169
bartbutler wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are working hard on import and export--they are top priorities, and we are fully aware that they are core features we are currently missing. Keep in mind that pretty much everything is more complex with encrypted email, and that includes import and export. It will be done as soon as we can manage.

You could provide users the option to give up their encryption on the content they wish to export. Chances are, if someone is trying to export their entire account, they are moving away from PM. In that case, encryption is probably not their first concern. Furthermore, even though PM keeps user emails in encrypted form, virtually all of those emails are unencrypted on one or more servers related to the recipients of…

That is exactly what we are doing, but it has to be done client-side of course, so it's not as simple as having a download link.
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