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Re: Apple staffers reportedly rebelling against open office plan

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If you can work from home, try it. It's not that bad.

Counterpoint: Working from home is awful. In contrast, open office plans are pleasant. It's fine that lots of people here have the opposite opinion, but they shouldn't assume that their opinion is objective truth.

Doesn't hurt to try it and find out for yourself. I never said it was a panacea.

Re: Apple staffers reportedly rebelling against open office plan

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It all seems so backwards. Instead of having collaborative working spaces with private rooms for meetings, doesn't it make more sense to have private rooms for working and collaborative meeting spaces?

The WSJ story has some pictures of what it looks like [1]. There seems to be offices with doors, but they look like it seats about 20 people. There are also common areas with long tables between them. https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-UF776_0817CO_1... https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-UF775_0817CO_1... https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-UF777_0817CO_1... [1] https://www.wsj.com/art…

Looks like an Apple store. Bet it's going to be as noisy as one.

Re: Apple staffers reportedly rebelling against open office plan

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(if I may repost a comment I wrote here before...) We have an open floor plan, and it works like this: * Desk area is for getting work done. Everyone agrees on this. * We have "phone rooms" for small discussions. But we limit those usually to 1:1s or discussing office politics. * Try to limit all discussions at the desk area to 5 people or less. * If someone sighs loudly as they put on their headphones when you're ha…

This.... is quintessential open floor plan. I feel like you are actually me.

Re: Apple staffers reportedly rebelling against open office plan

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(if I may repost a comment I wrote here before...) We have an open floor plan, and it works like this: * Desk area is for getting work done. Everyone agrees on this. * We have "phone rooms" for small discussions. But we limit those usually to 1:1s or discussing office politics. * Try to limit all discussions at the desk area to 5 people or less. * If someone sighs loudly as they put on their headphones when you're ha…

You can improve upon this by giving everyone VR headsets to shut out visual noise. You'll still need to come into the office though. Face time is important.

Or I could just work from home I guess.

Re: Apple staffers reportedly rebelling against open office plan

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If employees are measured correctly, it is impossible to slack off. In engineering, measuring hours is silly, measuring output and throughput is what determines performance.

And what do you propose is the correct way of collecting these measurements?

Results. Delivery of requested work products on schedule with quality.

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If employees are measured correctly, it is impossible to slack off. In engineering, measuring hours is silly, measuring output and throughput is what determines performance.

And what do you propose is the correct way of collecting these measurements?

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Re: Apple staffers reportedly rebelling against open office plan

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If employees are measured correctly, it is impossible to slack off. In engineering, measuring hours is silly, measuring output and throughput is what determines performance.

And what do you propose is the correct way of collecting these measurements?

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Re: Apple staffers reportedly rebelling against open office plan

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> open floor plan designs are conducive to collaboration between teams

This is just an overused cover-up story to avoid stating the real reasons which is cutting costs and monitoring employees.

They use "collaboration" so that you can't voice your opposition to it easily.

If you do that they will beat you with the "not a team player" and "not a culture fit" sticks.

Then in reality unhappy employees sit next to each other with noise cancelling headphones whose job has been unnecessarily harder than it already is because now a part of their mental focus and capacity is actively going towards ignoring distractions.

Re: Apple staffers reportedly rebelling against open office plan

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I might be in the minority but I HATE cubicle farms and love open office design. Just give every a sound cancellation headphone if they complain. To me cubical farms are depressing.

There are many of us who code in spurts, and spend the rest of the time goofing off on Reddit or hacker news. At the same time, we'd prefer not to get judged on what percentage of time we have Facebook open on our monitors, and more on the work we do. But when everyone can see what you're doing, it's hard to get rid of the nagging feeling that you're being watched.

That's why working from home is the holy grail :D
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