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Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by jongalloway2 »

m_mueller wrote: post #96
sangd wrote: post #77

I hope my Macbook days would be over soon. After using Macbook Pro many years, I find good Windows machines are as reliable as Mac's ones. Apple products are usually overpriced, much less options for hardware accessories and upgrades, very expensive to fix. I have to keep running both Mac & Windows machines which is very inconvenient sometimes.

one thing I'd miss from Apple is service. Being ablr to walk into a store where they can fix simple things immediately is AFAIK unheard of with windows PCs.. maybe with MS Stores, but these are incredibly rare outside the US.

I'm a Microsoft employee, but never tell them that when I go to the local store to get an idea how they treat everyone else. I've returned a few things and been shocked at how good and fast the service is.Basically it's Sorry! Here's a new one! Bye!

Disclaimers: Inside the US, Microsoft employee, Nazgûl

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by matt_wulfeck »

zzalpha wrote: post #165
bradleyjg wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which laptop manufactures have you found to be as reliable and well put together as macbooks? I haven't had too much luck with dells or lenovos.

If your willing to pay MacBook prices I'd give Lenovo another look. The latest Carbon is just... a perfect laptop as far as I'm concerned.

It may be MacBook prices but they certainly don't offer Apple support. I'm never going to go through that hassle again.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by jaxn »

mmcru wrote: post #101
livingparadox wrote: post #87

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You can definitely write to the windows file system from WSL, so long as you don't need admin privileges to do it. I use it at work and 99% of the files I edit are in a windows controlled drive.

For me, reading and writing works , but I have major performance issues on /mnt/. `git status` for example is unreasonably slow on any directory under /mnt/. I tried to adapt to this by instead of writing to the Windows file system from Linux; to instead write to the Linux file system from Windows. After corrupting my profile 3x and having to reinstall WSL each time, I went back to vagrant[1]. [1] vagrant is also rea…

When was the last time you tried? There are some file I/o improve EMTs over the past few months that drastically improved the kind of performance problem you are describing.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by jaxn »

TwoNineFive wrote: post #138
Infernal wrote: post #79

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I think you've fallen victim to Microsoft's somewhat awkward naming scheme - the Windows Subsystem for Linux is the name of the "linux subsystem in windows" that you're referring to. It's not complementary or unrelated, but the same thing.

The fundamental abusiveness of the naming of this product isn't lost on people. Every time I see "Windows services for Linux" I know very well that it's just Microsoft doing what their public manipulation thing. I've actually heard this issue discussed by the Windows admins in my company, without them having first heard my own opinion on the matter. "Why didn't they name it 'Linux services for Windows', or something…

It is awkward, but the name is a requirement of the trademarks involved. Something about having to use your own trademark (Windows) before someone else's (Linux)

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by grover_hartmann »

mcappleton wrote: post #169
sangd wrote: post #77

I hope my Macbook days would be over soon. After using Macbook Pro many years, I find good Windows machines are as reliable as Mac's ones. Apple products are usually overpriced, much less options for hardware accessories and upgrades, very expensive to fix. I have to keep running both Mac & Windows machines which is very inconvenient sometimes.

Why not use Linux? Same price point advantage, and even better than mac for development because you can develop on the exact same distro you will use for your server.

Indeed, some advantages I can think of with Linux.

* Containers (LXC, systemd-nspawn, Docker, etc. and native virtualization with QEMU/KVM), Apple doesn't even come close here.

* Use the WM/DE of your choice.

* Superior package management (pacman, apt, dnf, flatpak, etc).

* Use the distro of your choice.

* Use the latest GNU software unlike some crippled bash version like in Mac.

* Decide if you want bleeding edge or not.

* Use any hardware you want (older or new, Linux doesn't care and it will still perform well even with older hardware).

* Get more performance with Linux.[1][2]

* Freedom.[3]

* Privacy, security and transparency.

* Peace of mind, never be forced to upgrade your hardware or software. Your hardware is yours and you can use it until it literally breaks. You control your computer and not the other way around.

IMO, GNOME 3 and i3/sway are way nicer than the GUI on macOS, and you can use all the same development tools and editors on Linux today, tmux, Vim/Neovim, Emacs, Atom, VS Code, Sublime Text, etc.

There are so many other reasons.[4] Feel free to mention your reasons too.

I don't see what's the appeal with Mac at all, it seems like you are just paying for a logo.

[1] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macos-sie...

[2] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macos-101...

[3] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH3v41JmyIg

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by jamie_ca »

styfle wrote: post #158
aylons wrote: post #103

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I believe you got it inverted. You cannot write on the WSL file system from Windows, but the other way (writing on windows from bash) is ok.

How do they expect developers to write code if windows can't write to the file system? Do they expect everyone to use vim or other text based editor?

Just host the code in Windows-land.

Symlink ~/code to /mnt/c/Users/jamie/code, run whatever editor I want in windows to edit the code, and run my app from linux-land in the console. Hasn't given me a hiccup yet, even with a local sqlite database and such.

If you just treat your linux homedir as a spot for dotfiles and symlinks out to windows, it shouldn't give you much trouble unless you're doing stuff that relies heavily on owner/write permissions.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by sangd »

mcappleton wrote: post #169
sangd wrote: post #77

I hope my Macbook days would be over soon. After using Macbook Pro many years, I find good Windows machines are as reliable as Mac's ones. Apple products are usually overpriced, much less options for hardware accessories and upgrades, very expensive to fix. I have to keep running both Mac & Windows machines which is very inconvenient sometimes.

Why not use Linux? Same price point advantage, and even better than mac for development because you can develop on the exact same distro you will use for your server.

I can write code on Linux, but I cannot run my accounting/finance/photosoft software. Sometimes I need to run test on IE too. I understand the love for Linux for some people, but I would like to get things done the quickest way, of course with the quality required too.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #98
bradleyjg wrote: post #84

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Which laptop manufactures have you found to be as reliable and well put together as macbooks? I haven't had too much luck with dells or lenovos.

If you stick to the boring Thinkpads (T series and P series) they're fairly safe bets. Some of Dell's business grade laptops are also built like tanks. Neither company's consumer grade (read: cheap) I'd touch. Microsoft makes good hardware, but you'll pay borderline "Apple Prices" for it. Only big mistake Microsoft has made is trying to ship the Surface Laptop starting at $999 and topping out at $2199, with Windows 1…

A maxed out ThinkPad P71 is AU$13,250 (about US$10,000), but still no option for on site warranty (through the AU store anyway).

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by mcappleton »

sangd wrote: post #177
mcappleton wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not use Linux? Same price point advantage, and even better than mac for development because you can develop on the exact same distro you will use for your server.

I can write code on Linux, but I cannot run my accounting/finance/photosoft software. Sometimes I need to run test on IE too. I understand the love for Linux for some people, but I would like to get things done the quickest way, of course with the quality required too.

Its a good point. Depending on how frequently you use it, dual booting is an option though. I switched from windows because Meteor was slow as molasses and I'm very glad I made the switch. Dev stuff just runs better on Linux in my experience.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by duncan_bayne »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #172
zzalpha wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your willing to pay MacBook prices I'd give Lenovo another look. The latest Carbon is just... a perfect laptop as far as I'm concerned.

It may be MacBook prices but they certainly don't offer Apple support. I'm never going to go through that hassle again.

But sir, you did not purchase the extended accidental damage act of God fragile electronics warranty!
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