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> but nobody should be forcing their opinion/worldview on others who don't agree. And where in this thread has me or anyone forced our world view on you? Not allowing you to force your view on others isn't forcing our view on you. Frankly I don't think you understand what oppression or tolerance actually is.
Nowhere. I haven't claimed that. We're having a (mostly) thoughtful discussion with different opinions, which is great. If you read back through the hierarchy to my comment here[1], you'll see that I ask the hypothetical question, What if gay marriage were rolled back in the U.S.? , to make the point that currently you'd have to move out of the country to escape the law. I do not believe in rolling it back! I used it…
The Hidden Cost of Privatization
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Re: The Hidden Cost of Privatization
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> but nobody should be forcing their opinion/worldview on others who don't agree. And where in this thread has me or anyone forced our world view on you? Not allowing you to force your view on others isn't forcing our view on you. Frankly I don't think you understand what oppression or tolerance actually is.
Nowhere. I haven't claimed that. We're having a (mostly) thoughtful discussion with different opinions, which is great. If you read back through the hierarchy to my comment here[1], you'll see that I ask the hypothetical question, What if gay marriage were rolled back in the U.S.? , to make the point that currently you'd have to move out of the country to escape the law. I do not believe in rolling it back! I used it…
yes you did with this comment...
> while in the same breath calling for the oppression of those you disagree with.
You accused me of calling for the oppression of those I disagree with, so please do show me where I did that.
> But that's exactly what the federal government does by making decisions that affect everyone.
No, when the thing they're doing is providing equal rights, that isn't forcing anyone's world view on anyone else. Those who don't want gays to have rights aren't being imposed upon, they're still free to think whatever they like and they're free not to be gay; they have not suffered at all even though the law is in conflict with their world view.
> Every decision they make is made from a specific worldview.
While that is true, that doesn't imply said decision is imposing that view on anyone. Stopping group A from oppressing group B is not imposing a worldview on group A.
> It's impossible for them to make a decision that complies with every unique worldview out there.
Of course, but it's not impossible for those decisions not to impose that view on anyone else. Protecting minority rights imposes nothing on anyone. If someone doesn't believe in gay marriage, the federal protection of it might be against their worldview, but nothing has been imposed upon them; they are not losing anything by someone else being treated equally.
You're failing to draw the necessary line between having different points of view, and having those points of view imposed upon you. Just because the feds do something at the federal level that may be the result of a world view in no way implies that thing they're doing imposes that view on anyone else.
Now certainly, many things they do "do" impose a worldview, but I'm only defending the protection of minority rights to have equal protection under the law, and that doesn't impose anything upon anyone.
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> But not everyone is (or becomes) healthy or unhealthy to the same degree. Incorrect, everyone gets sick to the same eventual degree: death. You will require medical care. > or I simply want to take a chance that I'll remain healthy No one remains healthy, period, everyone gets sick, everyone.
Even if you consider death a state of health – which is odd, who says "yeah, they're really unhealthy: they're dead" – the path to that state differs. Some people get sick very quickly right before death, while others are sick their whole life before death. Their required medical care vastly differs.
You could be the healthiest person in the world and get punched by someone who gives you an expensive disease through blood contact; you could randomly get cancer at any age no matter how healthy you think you are. So this notion that you think you should pay less is based on a naive understanding of how health actually works; you cannot predict the future. You could be disabled tomorrow through no fault of your own. As such, the system must be designed to consider that everyone will be sick at some point and most people will be healthy most of the time, everyone pays and the sick are covered, problem solved for everyone. Social medicine works better than any other approach, this is a fact proven around the world. Those objecting to it are doing so on ideological grounds, not on rational ones.
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Not just theft, but aggression of any sort, including the most serious offenses such as rape and murder. Is there not a more fundamental moral value that we can all agree on?
Equating theft with rape and murder is just one of the reasons rational people ignore right-libertarianism.