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Re: Essential Products – Andy Rubin’s new hardware company

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I do think pricing is the biggest problem here. Android phones have been flourishing recently because of cut prices (see: Moto G, OnePlus).

There's a LOT of good options for high end Android phones, and even if you manage to take 2nd or 3rd place, you won't remotely get half or a third of the profits.

They're getting too greedy too early. You have to earn the public's trust before you jump in with a $700 device.

Re: Essential Products – Andy Rubin’s new hardware company

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Not sure there is an issue here... I think it's just a joke about 'physical security' of the premises. Most team pages I've seen don't specifically identify people working on infosec aspects of the product. That could be an attack vector if you're really being paranoid.

That's a myth. If someone were to attack your infosec engineers physically or virtually you need to build your company from the moon because only nation states and the 1% richest would be able to afford the ride there. If someone were to do social engineering well it will be done, regardless of title. :) No seriously I bet you this is just a blunt humor attempt. Someone thought it was cute. Those who prefer to remain…

NSA has been known to target sysadmins so I wouldn't call this a myth.

Re: Essential Products – Andy Rubin’s new hardware company

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post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure there is an issue here... I think it's just a joke about 'physical security' of the premises. Most team pages I've seen don't specifically identify people working on infosec aspects of the product. That could be an attack vector if you're really being paranoid.

That's a myth. If someone were to attack your infosec engineers physically or virtually you need to build your company from the moon because only nation states and the 1% richest would be able to afford the ride there. If someone were to do social engineering well it will be done, regardless of title. :) No seriously I bet you this is just a blunt humor attempt. Someone thought it was cute. Those who prefer to remain…

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Re: Essential Products – Andy Rubin’s new hardware company

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> - Devices are your personal property. We won’t force you to have anything on them you don’t want to have. Ok, so at first glance this is just a diplomatic, manifesto-ese way of saying "no bloatware". However, there's probably a very pragmatic discussion about what this really means and that just leads us back around to where we are now with who defines "anything" (i.e., the phone app is on table for that discussion…

> Closed ecosystems are also knowable, stable, and can produce very happy customers ... until they don't. Then you are screwed. > Now you're just being lazy Now you are just arguing for the sake of the argument.

> ... until they don't. Then you are screwed.

His point works well in a world where Android isn't competing with Apple which, while far from perfect, does not suffer nearly as badly from the looong tail of terrible quality apps.

The third-party Android app markets are neat but, pirated content aside, they largely serve only niches.

> Now you are just arguing for the sake of the argument.

No, it's point unto itself: Simple is not always better. (Obviously.)

Re: Essential Products – Andy Rubin’s new hardware company

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This is the first paragraph that shows up when seeing the site in mobile safari: > I know people are going to ask me a lot of questions about why I started this company. Why didn’t I just travel the world, ride my motorcycle, tinker with my robots, hang out at my bakery with friends and family. And to be honest I still do ask myself that sometimes…but not too often. 1. Maybe I'm not geeky enough, but I don't know who…

> I don't know who you are

You might not know that he created Android, but surely you must know that he created the sidekick??

Jokes aside, if you don't know who he is you probably don't need a smartphone.

Re: Essential Products – Andy Rubin’s new hardware company

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I thought you were being unimaginably rude until I went to the page and saw that there were actual dogs listed.

I __think__ they mean physical security (as in, Guard Dogs), rather than their Software Security team. Still, the optics aren't good.

The optics are fine. It's a cutesy "about us" page.

Re: Essential Products – Andy Rubin’s new hardware company

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And that's absolutely fine, the site wasn't built for you It filled its purpose of filtering those that are further on the adoption curve away

Of course you got downvoted for telling the truth. Essential seems to be in pre-launch and Rubin is one helluva competitive advantage who early adopters will know about.

While we are discussing this, is there a name of OPs behaviour?

If not, can I suggest ignorantbragg? How about zippbrag? Maybe whaowhatwhenbrag?

Re: Essential Products – Andy Rubin’s new hardware company

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And Essential is going to change that and get more market share than Samsung or even Apple? Please. There are tons of great choices of Android high-end devices available from Google itself, from LG, Xiaomi, Huawei, htc, even from OnePlus, you name it. Good to have onemore choice with Essential now.

What we need is alternative to Android and iOS, not more shitty Android phones. There is a reason why iOS feels buttery smooth compared to any phone running Android.

If buttery smooth could sell phones windows phone would still be around.

With that said, have you used a modern Android recently?

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