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Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by cryptarch »

ue_ wrote: post #154
cryptarch wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be the change you want to see! Go ahead and abolish all your own property, you're free to do so. Or was it more about you wanting to be entitled to product of your fellow man's labor?

>Go ahead and abolish all your own property, you're free to do so. I do not own any private property. >Or was it more about you wanting to be entitled to product of your fellow man's labor? No; in fact, the exact opposite. It is about the worker owning the product of his own labour, rather than having it appropriated when production has finished. To each according to his labour.

I guess we agree on more than I thought we did.

This is why I insist on working as a contractor and not as an employee: I want to own my intellectual property until I choose to sell it, and I want to create and sell a product that's useful, not be paid for my time.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by ardaozkal »

forvelin wrote: post #17
kyriakos wrote: post #9

What triggered this? Usually Turkish government blocks sites right after a terrorist attack or in the case of the coup attempt. Is something about to happen?

I'd say it is just some random court order, maybe somebody edited page of Erdoğan to add some insults, which gave ideas to some judge to get government reputation.

This, maybe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Recep_Tayyip_Erdo...

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by chinathrow »

forvelin wrote: post #63
Curnee wrote: post #43

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I play video games from a young Turkish woman. She goes to gigs, nightclubs, drinks and socialises. She hits on guys and they hit on her. She is indistinguishable from any western 20something. I was on a voice call with her the night of the supposed coup, and listened to her and her family angrily lemmenting the administration. It seemed even on the night of they knew something was fishy. She lives in Istanbul, and i…

There is a 49% in Turkey, and then there is 51%. 51 won and this happened.

51% won, but the vote rigging is staggering.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by jbmorgado »

beloch wrote: post #31

I'm a canuck who has worked with Turks and has visited Turkey. They're a wonderful people from a beautiful country with a real problem of a person in power. Turkey is almost entirely Muslim, yet they produce alcohol and tolerate its consumption within their borders, even by their own people. Let that fact sink in for a moment. Erdogan is subverting the premier secular democracy of the Islamic world, but nobody seems…

Seriously, stop trying to spread that notion that EU has to take care of everyone's problems. It doesn't!

If the majority of Turks are brainwashed enough to support a dictator, mass incarceration and ties of their government to terrorist organisations in order to appease their xenophoby towards the Kurdish minority, then make sure it's their problem and not the EU.

The only thing EU must do is make sure it doesn't blow up their way. When (not if) Turkey starts their civil war, just make sure you don't allow them in the EU after they willingly destroyed their own country after decades of EU trying to help them solve their internal problems by increasing democratic institutions there (and pouring a lot of money), but they very stubbornly resisting it and actually going the opposite way.

The world must stop looking at EU like they are the fireman of the world and at fault for all the arsonists the population keeps electing in Africa, the Middle East and even some parts of Eastern Europe.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by cryptarch »

czep wrote: post #160
cryptarch wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be the change you want to see! Go ahead and abolish all your own property, you're free to do so. Or was it more about you wanting to be entitled to product of your fellow man's labor?

It's more like not wanting rent-seekers, whose property was given to them at birth, to be entitled to other people's labor. All property is theft, because in the grand scheme of things, we are all renters. We are here on borrowed time, why do we make a system in which some have more rights than others?

Do you have ideas on how to fix that?

I recently heard "land-ownership tax/renting land from the state instead of owning it" and "100% tax on death/abolish inheritance", I think they're interesting but not without problems.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by nebabyte »

tmalsburg2 wrote: post #29
someguu wrote: post #4

Governments yield too much power, meanwhile citizens keep funding said governments with ridiculously high taxes. Trying to fix governments is counterproductive, just need to decentralize things imho.

> just need to decentralize things imho. Just -- you say this as if it was easy but no one knows how to do this and whether it is possible at all. Just see how long decentralization lasted in the case of Bitcoin.

It's not possible. There will always be organization and hierarchy, whether or not it's under an egalitarian effort (gov't) or a libertarian one ("my gang has more guns than yours, give us money/food/your land")

People who call for dissolution of power do so because they feel powerless against a unified whole. They forget that powerlessness exists in a much stronger form without organization.

I suppose they're welcome to not learn their lesson and try and become the next Jim Jones, but the rest of us will just shrug and say "sad for them" as we continue the pursuit of better democracies and representative governments.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by ardaozkal »

louithethrid wrote: post #69

Consider if you will - a diffrent approach to infrastructure altogether. There are no cables, no centralized Servers - just wifi capable devices. How does it route, i hear you asking? It routes by likelihood of connection to social plankton. Social plankton is every group your device ever connects to- and is constituted by those members of the group, which who can gather the most "Yes"-votes about theire prediction,…

We've actually planned and developed some pieces of software to allow this, however the main issue is that unless a very big amount of people use it, it's not going to work. Even if I and my friend 1km away uses it, unless there are enough users between us that can relay our messages, it's not going to work.

So we gave up, knowing that 51% would see it as an act of terror or smth, and even if they didn't, they wouldn't use such software or hardware.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by agumonkey »

usrusr wrote: post #162
agumonkey wrote: post #130

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I have a lot to say to and ask you, but right now I'll say you're right. Nobody wants war, but in most context people don't feel the need to handle their lives either. Democracy re-emerges after wars because the people felt hard and had to suffer and wake up, so now it's obvious and easier to act for peace and democracy. Seems like societies just have a MTBF of 50 years and after that war acts as a reset button. ps:…

> Seems like societies just have a MTBF of 50 years and after that war acts as a reset button. Exactly my thoughts. Now how could we replace overreliance on unrealistic uptime goals with scheduled maintenance?

Sure, but what we need right now IMO, is calming shock among populations to reduce pressure/heat/tension all over. Then we can start exchanging peacefully and efficiently, and discuss alternatives. We need to slow down the boat.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by toomanybeersies »

oxide wrote: post #118
agumonkey wrote: post #98

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I think we should stop communicating from the top. Many problems right now are because heads of state, not necessarily people. Erdogan, Putin ... We should try to get real people to talk, about who they are, what they want (peace ? surely .. war ? not so sure). So peoples in every nation start to avoid the national/patriot filter when thinking and voting.

Imagine the Turkish coup was organized and executed properly and they succeeded. Who takes power? Does it create a vacuum? A civil war? I often ponder these "alternate history timelines" and try to imagine what the world might be like.

Turkey has had several coups. So I'd look at what happened after the previous ones.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by ardaozkal »

mino wrote: post #165
sorenjan wrote: post #122

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Real people rarely want war, they all want the same basic things: food and shelter, a good future for their kids, and to live in peace. This is universal over the whole world, unless they've had their minds poisoned by leaders with their own agendas, be it political or religious. However, most people also don't really care that much about other people, especially in other countries. So they elect people to handle tha…

> More than 63% voted yes in Germany for instance. I also was baffled about the results of the Turkish vote abroad. How is it possible that, in many EU states, they won which such a majority? I would have expected expats to be generally more liberal/globalist/progressive.

When you don't feel the effects of your vote, you don't care about what you vote. I feel like this was the case of the referendum.
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