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Ultra-low-energy consumption ultrasonic clothes dryer

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Re: Ultra-low-energy consumption ultrasonic clothes dryer

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That's definitionally not ultrasonic, so I don't think that's the relevant frequency.

You're right that it's not, it's just what the paper says :)

Yeah, maybe it's the frequency that some component runs at but not the produced sounds? Or maybe they forgot a "k" in "kHz"? Eyeballing a chart in their presentation seems to show 100kHz piezotronics. [Page 8 of https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2016/04/f30/31297_Momen_... ]

Re: Ultra-low-energy consumption ultrasonic clothes dryer

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You know what I want? A lemon law that states that major appliances need to run forever. Literally something that says, "This device must run without professional service for 25 years." Forget energy star stuff, 100Kwh saved a year is meaningless because we can always optimize powerplants. Stop building disposable 100LB metal boxes that have to get scrapped and thrown in a landfill. If the device fails earlier than t…

First you need engineers that can design appliances that, even if warrantied, do not need service within 25 years 100% of the time. Perhaps they can be legislated into existence... ;)

There is a rover on Mars that had been running by itself for quite a bit and it contends with far more than a dryer.

Re: Ultra-low-energy consumption ultrasonic clothes dryer

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If you use an air conditioner, you can do it the Chinese way. In humid cities people hang their clothes near the AC exhaust, since it is "free" hot air. In a super humid city I've seen clothes dry that way in only a few hours.

Is this really free? Doesn't it just lower the efficiency of the AC unit?

No, the fans are quite strong and have an effect up to a couple meters away. I think it is more like a cat sleeping on the hood of a car. The waste heat needs to go somewhere, might as well put it in my clothes.

Re: Ultra-low-energy consumption ultrasonic clothes dryer

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post #159

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If you use an air conditioner, you can do it the Chinese way. In humid cities people hang their clothes near the AC exhaust, since it is "free" hot air. In a super humid city I've seen clothes dry that way in only a few hours.

Is this really free? Doesn't it just lower the efficiency of the AC unit?

They hang it near, not on top of the vent. And if the exhaust is outside the unit (balcony, etc), it would have basically no effect.

Re: Ultra-low-energy consumption ultrasonic clothes dryer

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Take operating costs into account also.

And time lost waiting for a new one to be delivered, disposal fees...

If you put it by the road someone should pick it up promptly for free (or list it for free on craigslist).

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And time lost waiting for a new one to be delivered, disposal fees...

Don't forget delivery and installation fees too. They don't deliver them to your house for free.

Who cares about delivery fees? it's the total cost that matters.

Re: Ultra-low-energy consumption ultrasonic clothes dryer

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First you need engineers that can design appliances that, even if warrantied, do not need service within 25 years 100% of the time. Perhaps they can be legislated into existence... ;)

There is a rover on Mars that had been running by itself for quite a bit and it contends with far more than a dryer.

how much did the rover cost?

Re: Ultra-low-energy consumption ultrasonic clothes dryer

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Don't forget delivery and installation fees too. They don't deliver them to your house for free.

Who cares about delivery fees? it's the total cost that matters.

The delivery fee is a significant fraction of the total cost of a modern dryer in the US. Saving a little money by getting crappier dryers will likely have a larger total cost because of the delivery fees, and also the cost of your time in taking time off from work to accept delivery.

Re: Ultra-low-energy consumption ultrasonic clothes dryer

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There is a rover on Mars that had been running by itself for quite a bit and it contends with far more than a dryer.

how much did the rover cost?

Hard to know, looking at the 600 page NASA PDF, but Google says 400 million. But that's for a object that had to be transported to mars first. I bet transporting a dishwasher to mars intact to sit and not work is a similar amount of money.

Guess I just need to start an appliance company and fail to become enlightened as to why my desire of quality and serviceability are unattainable ideals.

Incidentally, your comment on price is a weak argument, because the product doesn't even exist. Even the luxury appliances have tremendously low longevity now. So luxury at this point basically means it looks really good while it works and you can afford to buy another when it doesn't.

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