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Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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It's pretty fascinating to read the Shadow Broker's posts. They have to write something, since they can't just say "I work for Russia and we're reminding America that they're not invulnerable." So they have to come up with all sorts of contrived reasons about why they're doing this, complete with broken english to fool stylometry detection that walks the fine line between being believable and preposterous. Someone sp…

I think that any agency with the capability to break into the NSA has also the capability to hire a proofreader. That is, any mistakes left in the documents are there intentionally.

This thread is slowly devolving into the linguistics equivalent of the poison scene in the Princess Bride :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL4c9gCRSKY

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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Well, if it's so obvious to you, then you could easily copy it. And so, why not someone else?

It's not easily copied, that's my point. The MO of this campaign (and others) isn't easily done, which is why it's easy to narrow down suspects. There are only a few possible intelligence agencies that could do something like this and only Russia has the motive.

You can't have it both ways. If it's so easy to spot, it's easy to emulate. And how can you rely on motives? What you have is evidence, from which you infer motives. When there's so much avowed certainty with such subjective evidence, one must suspect an agenda.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

#173

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Most likely an American trying to write in an Eastern European accent.

Yeah, it's so over the top that it reads like a native English speaker's intentional obfuscation.

I immediately thought of the "Opulence, I has it" commercials from DirecTV.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

#175
post #92

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While I get your wider point, I find the different types of mistakes that ESL'ers with different mother tongues make absolutely fascinating. I've noticed, say, that in Poland, where the native tongue lacks articles, people regularly mess up "the" and "a," or miss them altogether. I've never met a French person with the same issue, for obvious reasons. When I started looking into people's mistakes with tenses in Engli…

> I like cars red Interestingly, that word order is also valid English, though it has a slightly different meaning than "I like red cars". Example: "I like [my] soup warm". "I like soup warm, but you can eat it cold and left over if you want." "I like having soup warm" "I like my cookies freshly baked" "I like men muscular and toned" "I like my women blonde, so you can go for the brunette" "I like cars red" doesn't q…

I think it is a short hand slang for "I like cars painted red." or "I like cars colored red."

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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I'd be curious as to which particular "anti-mistakes" you had in mind (that you believe a non-native speaker wouldn't be likely to make). I have some hunches (like the over-use of linking verbs, and certain overly-idiomatic colocations), but I'd be curious as to what stands out in your view.

"The peoples" is unlikely. "-ing" after most verbs is unlikely. "the" is unlikely before "Freedom Caucus" and "NSC". There's no "the" in Russian, and ESL speakers often omit it, or put it where it doesn't really belong. The word "caucus" in itself is unlikely: I've never even heard of it before I moved to the US, it's not in common use abroad. "Whose" is unlikely. "To destroying" is very unlikely. "Will be happening"…

'freedom caucus' is a proper noun referring to an organization, they wouldn't need to know the meaning in order to use it. also you seem to ignore the possibility of using some machine translation assistance (eg for short phrases or sentences) which could account both for irregularities and correct verb conjugations.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

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It's not easily copied, that's my point. The MO of this campaign (and others) isn't easily done, which is why it's easy to narrow down suspects. There are only a few possible intelligence agencies that could do something like this and only Russia has the motive.

You can't have it both ways. If it's so easy to spot, it's easy to emulate. And how can you rely on motives? What you have is evidence, from which you infer motives. When there's so much avowed certainty with such subjective evidence, one must suspect an agenda.

I'm not sure that's fair to say, you can recognize patterns, spot and attempt to emulate something, but that doesn't mean you actually are doing it correctly. Lots of militaries try to emulate the US military but cannot. Operational expertise, tempo and other factors are really difficult to nail down and something that's developed over time and with practice.

I think what you're saying is fair, but the only nation state actors with the right combination of evidence, agenda and motives would be Russia. Who else?

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

#178

It's pretty fascinating to read the Shadow Broker's posts. They have to write something, since they can't just say "I work for Russia and we're reminding America that they're not invulnerable." So they have to come up with all sorts of contrived reasons about why they're doing this, complete with broken english to fool stylometry detection that walks the fine line between being believable and preposterous. Someone sp…

I speak 3 languages including Russian. I agree with the throwaway's post that it sounds like someone was trying to write like a Russian but didn't do a very good job.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

#179
post #59

"We voted for you, comrade. Here is old malware from deepnet kiddy porn site post for to confuse." Could be Russia pissed about puppet twitching without permission, or could be Bannon (via Cambridge Analytics?) pissed about puppet twitching without permission. Twitch, puppet, twitch!

If it's twitching without permission, it's not a puppet.

Re: Snowden: NSA just lost control of its Top Secret arsenal of digital weapons

#180
post #59

"We voted for you, comrade. Here is old malware from deepnet kiddy porn site post for to confuse." Could be Russia pissed about puppet twitching without permission, or could be Bannon (via Cambridge Analytics?) pissed about puppet twitching without permission. Twitch, puppet, twitch!

If it's twitching without permission, it's not a puppet.
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