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Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by yrro » Sat, Mar 18, 2017, 4:01 PM UTC

thenomad wrote: post #78

yrro wrote: post #76

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My friend returned his Surface Pro 4 a few days after he got it when a mandatory Windows update bricked it, as in it turned off instead of restarting, and wouldn't turn back on.

I had a similar problem with a Surface, but some persistent going through the reboot options (of which there are about six, in increasing order of nuke-it-from-orbit-it's-the-only-way-to-be-sure) fixed it eventually. Other than that, though, they're great machines.

There were no reboot options. The damn thing wouldn't turn on. My friend now has an XPS13 (which he had for just over a year before an issue with the fan prompted him to return it to the retailer for repair; amusingly the retailer screwed that up and offered him a new one as a replacement).

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by oakwhiz » Tue, Mar 21, 2017, 4:26 AM UTC

brudgers wrote: post #159

oakwhiz wrote: post #156

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Proof that there is an SMI related or Intel ME fault that is mitigated by Win10's kernel.

ME relies on security by obscurity (and hence the motivation of some for open source code). Of course that's not proof. But I wouldn't rely on a Skylake ME's integrity for a public IP'd computer if it was running Windows 98 because it can be pwnd in ways that a Pentium Pro can not: replacing the disk drive won't get ownership back.

Right, I see what you mean. I just interpreted your post as possibly indicating that you knew of some specific publicized exploit.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by cptskippy » Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 8:41 PM UTC

rincebrain wrote: post #168

cptskippy wrote: post #162

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> Windows 10 feels unfinished That's true but another way to look at it is that it's in a constant state of improvement. There's 30 years of legacy that they're taking the time to refactor correctly rather than just skin or eliminate entirely. > I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10 That is one of the very rough areas right now. They have the basic functionality in there but then shifted…

> constant state of improvement I understand how this would work in theory, but it seems more like they're trying to burn customer goodwill by breaking or removing old tools in favor of migrating everyone to {Modern UI,a walled garden}. > That sounds like a hardware specific issue. If I hover over my battery indicator I get both a percentage and time estimate. If I click on the indicator I get the same information an…

I started to respond to this but then I realized you're just twisting things to fit your world view. Microsoft isn't removing for breaking their UI to trick people into their walled garden. Yes they'd like the Store to be a success but making advanced networking features difficult to surface by migrating from GDI to Modern UI elements isn't part of that master plan.

You're sighting what you see as shortcomings in their battery status indicator as a regress when what you're asking for has never been a feature in Windows.

I don't deny that you've had some issues with Windows but it sounds like a lot of your objects are based on personal beliefs than actual problems.