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GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by sashagitlab »

matthewvincent wrote: post #137
hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

I had an interesting interview with one of their recruiters in which within the first 5 minutes I was asked to agree to compensation below what their calculator (which was a part of the job posting) indicated was their pay scale for my location and that position. I was told my resume wouldn't be passed to an engineering lead until I had (in writing) agreed to the lower salary range. Liiike why even... Edit: Didn't in…

Hi Matt, I am the recruiter at GL, I've reviewed your case, and I wanted to follow up personally. I'd like to address your concern and explain our process. Since the time of your interview, we have changed the process of discussing compensation within the first 15 minutes of a conversation to the end of a phone call. We understand it's uncomfortable and sometimes awkward to talk pay when you've just met someone. Hopefully this improvement will prevent misunderstandings in the future. Secondly, we never would ask you to agree to something that is below the calculators suggestion, however your expectations based on Level, Experience, or Location may differ from the recruiter or hiring managers' assessments. We do talk about compensation early and upfront with every candidate, because we use it to guide our offers. I'm very sorry that your experience was less than ideal, and I apologize for any miscommunication that happened as a result! We are always striving to improve our process so any more details/feedback you'd like to share about your specific situation would be appreciated so our PeopleOps team can ensure this mistake isn't repeated.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by connorshea »

rabbitfang48 wrote: post #165
connorshea wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For us it was natural to open the source code, we prefer to work that way. All our source code is publicly viewable and most of it is open source.

> All our source code is publicly viewable Not all of it. version.gitlab.com is one of GitLab's closed source IPs.

Yeah, unfortunately that's because we made a mistake, here's the relevant issue if you want more info (PDF because it's a private repo so I can't link directly to it unfortunately):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByoIqX0IDB5scWpJT0JKTHQtTG8...

We do want to open source it when we can.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by sytse »

connorshea wrote: post #172
rabbitfang48 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All our source code is publicly viewable Not all of it. version.gitlab.com is one of GitLab's closed source IPs.

Yeah, unfortunately that's because we made a mistake, here's the relevant issue if you want more info (PDF because it's a private repo so I can't link directly to it unfortunately): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByoIqX0IDB5scWpJT0JKTHQtTG8... We do want to open source it when we can.

I reopened the issue.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by akerro »

hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

They have developers from poorer countries like Eastern Europe where your twice less is twice more than local market.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by Yahivin »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #162
kilroy123 wrote: post #112

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I'm also turned off by remote companies that do the same. I work remote and moved to a very low-cost area. That doesn't mean I want a massive pay cut.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a bad principle to run both countries and companies.

Why should we run countries like companies?

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by mullsork »

kstenerud wrote: post #106
connorshea wrote: post #92

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Ha! Any suggestions? ;)

A cross platform GUI git client that doesn't suck!

Spend that money porting GitUp.co to multiple platforms instead. The only git GUI I've used that doesn't suck. Might be lacking in features though 8)

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by homakov »

hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

How can anyone verify where I live? What if I say I live in SF just don't wanna meet up personally?

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by tracker1 »

sytse wrote: post #142
hamandcheese wrote: post #140

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Definitely not an intern anymore ;) Edit: and yeah, I've read a lot about your company including that link. I understand your approach, it just excludes me.

I must have found a different person, sorry. Can you please email ernst@gitlab.com with your case? If the calculator is so far off we would love to add that data point. The most heard criticism seems to be that for low rent parts of the US the calculator is too low. Before our last change the biggest problem was that for hot cities (Phoenix and Austin) it was too low, we now fixed that.

I'm in Phoenix, and it still seems a bit low.. about 16-20k off at lead with high experience... seeing roles around $130k locally. One of the sites like glassdoor is seeing an average around your top.

For U.S. it may be best to establish a floor, and for most cities don't go below that... Remote work in the U.S. tends to be closer to 65-75% of Northern California pay, from what I've seen. Often more than local rates, but harder to come by the jobs.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by tracker1 »

jshmrsn wrote: post #81
caio1982 wrote: post #69

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"Gitlab has some growing left to do, especially on the SaaS part." Some people (say, big companies) think exactly the opposite because they are after an on-prem solution, and for that Gitlab kicks Github's ass.

GitHub offers on-prem as well. Of course it's not open source and not potentially free like GitLab https://enterprise.github.com/features

I like Github's UI slightly better (though it's been about a year since I've tried Gitlab)... the recent db issue has me concerned though.

That said, I think it's always worth considering using a tool because of their options for the open-source community... github, travis-ci etc have changed the way a lot of people work. GitLab might be what I reach for for self-hosting, but more likely to try the community/open edition first.

Using VSO (VisualStudio.com) for hosting at work, and some of the integration parts are very nice... Though no idea what a private TFS instance costs.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by cderwin »

homakov wrote: post #177
hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

How can anyone verify where I live? What if I say I live in SF just don't wanna meet up personally?

Assuming you are a law-abiding citizen such information would be critical for tax withholding.
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