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How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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Re: How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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Where does Thiel ever argue for or request the ability to coerce others? Adjusting the system so that other actions are incentivised is not coercion.

Supporting the governmental bureaucracies like the NSA is by definition participating in coercion.

That's redefining coercion towards meaninglessness.

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So, a former Gawker Media writer decides to point out the US goverment is using Thiel's data analysis and visualization company and you all (nearly all of you) jump on the hate-train. You people are starting to act like a quasi-religious group, and you've found your devil! Palentir itself doesn't collect data. Palentir is used for a variety of purposes, including medical and scientific research. The article contains…

I don't follow what benefits to work at a company has anything to do with the ethics of its actions. Note that I'm not accusing Palantir of doing whatever this article accuses them of but your argument to support the company based on its perks is very moot.

I pointed out these perks in response to some comments in this thread claiming Thiel is anti LGBT, racist and sexist. The company profile is in fact very diverse [1].

[1] https://www.palantir.com/diversity/

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post #160

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who enforces it?

Police.

this entire subthread is entertaining the notion that a true libertarian society would have no government capable of using force against the citizenry. If the "police" here are hired as a private contractor, who is hiring them? the government ? (then you have government coercion). Random small communities pooling together? (then you have the wealthiest and most powerful citizens owning the police. in other parts of the world these people are called "warlords").

edit: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord#Warlordism_as_the_domi...

> The other major consideration in categorizing warlords is through the lens of history. Warlordism was a widespread, dominant political framework that ordered many of the world's societies until the modern state became globally ubiquitous. Often warlord governance in pre-modern state history was constructed along tribal or kinship lines and was congruent with early perceptions of "nation." In colonial empires warlords served in both cooperative political capacities and as leaders of rebellions. In modern states the presence of warlords is often seen as an indicator of state weakness or failure. American historian David G. Herrmann noted, "Warlordism is the default condition of humanity."[5]

So, that's the highly "pure" form of libertarianism discussed in this thread (e.g., no government). A highly libertarian state is by definition very "weak" and we can observe that warlordism rises out of such states (as common sense would suggest in any case). Been there, done that.

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"If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 50 years ago, a liberal 25 years ago and a racist today." Thomas Sowell

That doesn't make any sense. Racists inherently judge with a different standard.

I'm not familiar with either the quote or the person quoted, but I'm guessing it's an assertion that people who believe

> that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards

don't buy into affirmative action, and are labeled as racists by people who do.

Re: How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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post #166

So, a former Gawker Media writer decides to point out the US goverment is using Thiel's data analysis and visualization company and you all (nearly all of you) jump on the hate-train. You people are starting to act like a quasi-religious group, and you've found your devil! Palentir itself doesn't collect data. Palentir is used for a variety of purposes, including medical and scientific research. The article contains…

This post has been upvoted by PR agents paid to do so. It contains no relevant content to the article and does not substantiate its claim that the article is false in any way and in fact doesn't even bother to enumerate the false claims because dgut "Doesn't have time"

So way off the standard of hacker news yet the top comment of plenty. Down the hell out of it, it's clear.

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post #170

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I don't follow what benefits to work at a company has anything to do with the ethics of its actions. Note that I'm not accusing Palantir of doing whatever this article accuses them of but your argument to support the company based on its perks is very moot.

I pointed out these perks in response to some comments in this thread claiming Thiel is anti LGBT, racist and sexist. The company profile is in fact very diverse [1]. [1] https://www.palantir.com/diversity/

Peter Thiel - date rape is belated regret. I call sexist.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/21/peter-thi...

Apartheid is good - I call racist. http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/03/500...

Palantir are freaking evil article hits the front page. "Hey come and work fcr palantir" is top post. Do you work for palantir dgut? You have time for a follow up about how good palantir is to work for but not to substantiate your claim the article contains falsehoods.

Pretty poor effort.

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"If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 50 years ago, a liberal 25 years ago and a racist today." Thomas Sowell

That doesn't make any sense. Racists inherently judge with a different standard.

Different to what? Racists hold people of different races to different standards, and so do the people who call others racist for refusing to do this.

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That doesn't make any sense. Racists inherently judge with a different standard.

I'm not familiar with either the quote or the person quoted, but I'm guessing it's an assertion that people who believe > that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards don't buy into affirmative action, and are labeled as racists by people who do.

Maybe, but more likely concepts like "it's not possible (or important) for a black american to be racist", or "when a white person makes fun of a black, they are racist, when a black person makes fun of a while they are being ironic".

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>Thinking that heterosexual couples have an acute and unique problem with maintaining two-parent households, for instance, isn't anti anything. Well, it is anti something if it's code for being against gay marriage.

I can realize that: * half of all pregnancies are accidental * pregnancies only happen by accident with heterosexual couples * unprepared parents is a social and economic issue ...without being anti anyone.

Still speaking in code. Do you think gay marriage should be legal or not? If not, then at the very least you are anti-me, as I'm in a gay marriage. (And as far as I can tell my marriage hasn't led to any increase in unplanned pregnancies, if that's what's worrying you.)

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> NAP by definition is an ethical stance. Following NAP is constitutional requirement irrelevent to ones ethics.

who enforces it?

You can't argue with them.

Government = bad, Taxes = theft, is what all their arguments boil down to and you end up going around in a circle.

They don't get that monopoly on use of violence as ultimate arbitration is what allows society to exist in the first place.

"Non aggression principle" LMAO. Look at Somalia and other failed African states. If libertarians weren't socially and economically illiterate, they'd all be flocking to those places, because it's as close to their mystical paradise la-la land as you can possibly get.

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