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Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by yttrium »

mattkrea wrote: post #163
hmigneron wrote: post #42

I'm always surprised when developers don't talk about the F keys in their reviews of the new MBP. I mostly agree with the author regarding the escape key, the touch bar isn't really a problem in that regard, it still works and I got used to "pressing" it on the touchbar really quickly. I really really miss physical F keys though. I spend a lot of time debugging (either in the Chrome debugger or in IDEs) where pressin…

You already had to hit the Fn key to make the Fn keys function, correct? The defaults were the brightness, volume, etc settings. You do the same thing and they all appear on the Touchbar. Zero change in usability there.

Generally I think most devs who use MacBooks disable that option (making it so that you have to press fn to get the standard mac functionality) so that they have better access to the Fn keys. I will echo the sentiment, that there's something nicely tactile about key presses that's missing from the touch bar. That being said - I do half my work on monitors using an external keyboard/touchpad anyway, so it's really not the worst thing in the world.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by k-mcgrady »

tlow wrote: post #70
jp555 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bret Victor tweeted that the TouchBar took 8 years of work to go from conception to production. https://twitter.com/worrydream/status/791767756928462848 You sure it was a reaction to MS?

Steve Jobs: "I'm as proud of the things I have done as the things I have not". Jobs would not have brought this version of TouchBar to market; not a chance.[1] [1] My source is my personal opinion and anecdotal. If I'm not unimpeachably correct in this assertion you should downvote; there is no possible means to prove the assertion so only judgement can decide the validity of my claim. While I had met Jobs and had mu…

If you need a massive disclaimer at the end of your comment explaining that something you expressed as a fact shouldn't be treated as a fact what's the point? Jobs made plenty of bad product decisions, some much worse than the touch bar.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by raverbashing »

robert_foss wrote: post #168
raverbashing wrote: post #165

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The Linux desktop seems to be getting ever more dragged in crap like Unity, systemd, and broken ideas on top of broken ideas Though you can replace those components, the time being wasted there makes the Touchbar and other Apple crap seem the worse of two evils

I can't say there is any usability difference between systemd and upstart on my Ubuntu 16.10 machine. Which brokenness are you referring to?

Just general stuff https://hn.algolia.com/?query=systemd&sort=byDate&prefix&pag...

Systemd breaks things for the sake of speed. https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdAndSys...

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by k-mcgrady »

tachion wrote: post #62

Since the author quotes prices in GBP, I'd say to everyone - skip the Apple Care! In UK consumer electronics state-enforced-warranty (or whatever these particular consumer rights are called) is 6 years. That's not a typo, it is 6 years and I've used it twice for my Apple gear that was outside of manufacturer's warranty and without Apple Care. Save yourself £329 and know your rights. And dont get my word on it, check…

An important point to note is that you get your standard 2 year manufacturer warrant and then the following 4 years is covered by the seller. so for example if you get an iPhone through Vodafone and have a problem 3 years in it's Vodafone that deals with it, not Apple. I say it's important as the standard of customer service can vary widely between Apple and some retailers so if speed of repair is a priority relying on the 6 year warranty may not be your best solution.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by potatosoup »

kristiandupont wrote: post #98
hmigneron wrote: post #42

I'm always surprised when developers don't talk about the F keys in their reviews of the new MBP. I mostly agree with the author regarding the escape key, the touch bar isn't really a problem in that regard, it still works and I got used to "pressing" it on the touchbar really quickly. I really really miss physical F keys though. I spend a lot of time debugging (either in the Chrome debugger or in IDEs) where pressin…

This bothers me as well. I also have issues with the esc key though. Apparently, I tend to rest my finger on it without noticing (I had no idea). So my subconscious experience with this new laptop is that it seems quite neurotic, constantly closing windows in front of me for no apparent reason, until I discover my finger on the touchbar.

Same here. Extremely annoying and I hit this often.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by rayiner »

bartread wrote: post #170

I'm currently running a late-2015 15-inch Macbook Pro, with all specs maxxed out, and have no plans to upgrade until probably next year. Still, even in 2015 the 16GB RAM limit annoyed me because I often run OSX and Windows side-by-side with Parallels. Whilst SSD is fast, it still ain't no RAM, and with 2 x VS instances, different versions of SQL Server, Couchbase, Oracle, and Tibco all running at the same time I'd re…

How often do you work out of LTE range? RDP is very usable if you need to use Windows for work.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by brentis »

mciancia wrote: post #138
phaed wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are upgradable.

They are not.

I should clarify.. I have 32 on my iMac and use my mbp for remote Photoshop. It has 16Gb I believe. I want to move to just one device vs. two with desktop monitor for home - not going to do it with current 2016 MBPs as my primary.

Fwiw I don't like the fake click on the trackpads or iPhone 7's either. Already started moving away when pine 7 came out - went with Pixel xl and couldn't be happier.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by rsynnott »

> Apple have increased the native resolution/scaling in comparison to my previous MBP. It’s now practical to work with two half-width, adjacent windows on this laptop’s display. Something that never seemed workable on its predecessor.2 This fact alone makes for some serious productivity wins.

You could actually always set it to do this; they've just changed the defaults. A surprising number of users seem to be unaware of this, though.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

gog wrote: post #134
yokohummer7 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I find odd about the display is that it somehow changes white balance occasionally depending on the content. I'm not sure if this only happens on BootCamp or not, but it's a bit surprising. Is there any setting to turn off this?

Are you maybe running f.lux?

They mentioned context, not time of day.
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