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Post by eternalban »

orasis wrote: post #166
eternalban wrote: post #48

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Seeker, sure. Guru, no. [p.s.] The Sufi master Attar [1] wrote an entire book [2] -- using the symbol of "flyers" or "birds" -- describing the stages of seekers' path to enlightenment. The mataphor used was 'seven valleys of love' [3] encountered on the way to the 'King of the Birds', each with their own distinct psyho-spiritual state and requirements. The journey has stages but for some there is a 'successful' end.…

An alternative perspective is that "meta-okayness" might be a goal to aim for. Can I be fundamentally OK even when I don't feel OK? Could I be OK with depression? Could I be OK with sadness? Could I be OK with being human? Maybe instead of needing to be more enlightened, I just need a nap?

On a personal level "to thine own self be true". Definitely.

But if you are "depressed", "sad", and "don't feel OK" and rather take a "nap" instead of striving for enlightenment, you shouldn't go around giving talks on spiritual matters as a "teacher".

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Post by xd360 »

tech_browser wrote: post #72
xd360 wrote: post #61

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THIS. Everything that you have said here, I completely believe in that too. If one observes the world and tries to find a pattern in it, the findings will align with this theory. Would you please share in which teachings exactly did you read about this. I mean specifically about the one where they state that God is the universe itself and not a person who is different from it. Was it the Upanishads? Is there some spe…

There's not a specific book where this information is laid out. I'll write what I know and can refer to source if you have questions. At the outset, I'd like to mention that there are dualistic (dvaita), non-dualistic(advaita) and qualified non-dualistic (vishishta-advaita) interpretations of the Upanishads. As a follower of advaita, I clearly see from texts that non-duality is what these scriptures teach. The Manduk…

This is very useful information. Thank You for answering.

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Post by charlesin »

andybak wrote: post #14

For anyone not familiar with Krishnamurti his relationship and work with the physicist David Bohm is worthy of note. I can't find a good summary link I can vouch for but google for it yourself.

There is the book The ending of time, with many conversations with Dr. David Bohm. The link is : https://krishnamurti-teachings.info/book/the-ending-of-time....

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Post by state_less »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #159
armitron wrote: post #134

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I couldn't say since I'm not living with that realization. Here are the words of someone who does: http://biroco.com/journal.htm

This is a goof example of what I was referring to... >"Push the details of life back into the mist and just sit with knowing that 'I am'. Why's that of any great interest? I'll tell you why. Because I didn't know I was, and then I did, and that amazing fact is somewhat skirted over being concerned about anything else." This is the storyteller considering that 'I am God' makes everything else seem trivial in compariso…

Why bifurcate into the position, all things are god, or the converse position, no things are god, Storytelling, Truth, Falsity. Even after the most profound proof realized, you stop to get a drink of water.

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Post by Nomentatus »

There are many wonderful spiritual texts. This is blather. Most primates experience loneliness because, in the wild, they can't survive long alone, much less breed. The best you can say for this text is that it gives the readers extra heads, a pejorative Zen phrase meaning that it provides readers with an intellectual illusion of understanding that will delay genuine understanding even if they do meditate.

I'm very willing to assent to the idea that spiritual masters experience less loneliness, but it ain't 'cause they read this sort of pap.

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Post by mixermf »

Nomentatus wrote: post #176

There are many wonderful spiritual texts. This is blather. Most primates experience loneliness because, in the wild, they can't survive long alone, much less breed. The best you can say for this text is that it gives the readers extra heads, a pejorative Zen phrase meaning that it provides readers with an intellectual illusion of understanding that will delay genuine understanding even if they do meditate. I'm very w…

> I'm very willing to assent to the idea that spiritual masters experience less loneliness

Chogyam Trunpga, founder of the Shambhala Buddhist tradition, said "Egolessness is a concept, a philosophy, but loneliness is a reality that you experience. A feeling of loneliness is part of the journey. As for me, I feel that way constantly, and I think it's a very healthy feeling, a very real feeling."

https://books.google.com/books?id=9QHEAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT214&lpg=...

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Post by ZenoArrow »

state_less wrote: post #175
ZenoArrow wrote: post #159

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This is a goof example of what I was referring to... >"Push the details of life back into the mist and just sit with knowing that 'I am'. Why's that of any great interest? I'll tell you why. Because I didn't know I was, and then I did, and that amazing fact is somewhat skirted over being concerned about anything else." This is the storyteller considering that 'I am God' makes everything else seem trivial in compariso…

Why bifurcate into the position, all things are god, or the converse position, no things are god, Storytelling, Truth, Falsity. Even after the most profound proof realized, you stop to get a drink of water.

My point is, so called enlightenment does not necessarily lead people to living a richer life. Paradoxically, even though enlightenment is meant to remove burdens, some "enlightened" people treat it as a burden in its own right, even though they wouldn't necessarily admit this.

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Post by mdekkers »

CalRobert wrote: post #132

I would like to add more to this conversation, but don't know that I have much to offer beyond what others have said. There are two quotations regarding this topic that others here may like, though. One is (in my view) about the infinity of potential relationships that pass every day, and the other about trying to connect to someone else while we are limited as corporeal beings. ... "The barber was cutting our hair,…

When it comes to the actual experience of life, we're very much alone; and to expect anyone else to take away our loneliness is asking too much.

Sounds to me like he hasn't met the right people yet.

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Post by brangalina4eva »

antisocial wrote: post #37

The following is a gem - this has been my guiding star for more than a decade. The self hides in many ways, under every stone, the self can hide in compassion, going to India and looking after poor people, because the self is attached to some idea, faith, conclusion, belief, which makes me compassionate because I love Jesus or Krishna, and I go up to heaven. The self has many masks, the mask of meditation, the mask o…

So what are you meant to do about it? Of course there are reasons why I do things. But so what?
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